Air America on Ad Blacklist? - Page 2

wolf · 11-01-2006, 01:22 PM

You've gone so far down the path of the conspiracy theorist that you've turned yourself inside out and met yourself on the other side, haven't you?

Elspode · 11-01-2006, 01:35 PM

I think that, in general, Corporate Mentality is more aligned with whoever will give them the most cookies. Right now, that's the Right. Wolf is right, this is only about money, not philosophy, ethics, freedom or anything else. If making this country into a dictatorship would put more money into corporate coffers, you can bet they'd be all for that, and you'd see commercials with a kindly, smiling Big Brother drinking a Coke. Meh.

Spexxvet · 11-01-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

I think that, in general, Corporate Mentality is more aligned with whoever will give them the most cookies. Right now, that's the Right. Wolf is right, this is only about money, not philosophy, ethics, freedom or anything else. If making this country into a dictatorship would put more money into corporate coffers, you can bet they'd be all for that, and you'd see commercials with a kindly, smiling Big Brother drinking a Coke. Meh.

As long as was pure corporate greed at work, I can only fault corporate greed. However, if there was instigation by some kind of ROVE-ing administration official, I will .... well... complain even louder!

Spexxvet · 11-01-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

You've gone so far down the path of the conspiracy theorist that you've turned yourself inside out and met yourself on the other side, haven't you?

I'm suspicious of what you're saying....

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-01-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah

Now now, maybe UG really does believe that Corporations constitute all of society. It would fit with the current administration's thinking which UG seems to agree with.

In a way, yes. Business, Jebediah, is what human beings do for their bread. Socialists and other economic illiterates try and make corporations and big business out to be something separate from humanity at large, but really the one difference between the corporate world and mom-and-pop corner stores and restaurants is scale. It is not necessary to be evil to be large in scale. Insist absolutely upon good ethical practice, and you can still be as large-scale as you like.

Those people employed in the public sector rather than business are in one way or another engaged in activities deemed socially necessary, but which do not increase a society's wealth -- put another way, no profit in them. Many governmental functions cover protective/coercive functions -- army and police: not the muscle and sinew of the deer, but his antlers.

People diss McDonalds on any pretext; but still, McDonalds makes Big Macs very well. The one matter open to question is whether you want one.

WabUfvot5 · 11-01-2006, 10:32 PM

Business is seperated from humanity at large. There is something called a corporate charter that makes business an artificial creation. They are imbued with more rights than the average person! So yes of course they are seperate from humanity at large if only for their special protections. Economics doesn't even enter into that.

While mom and pop can have a business charter so too can the megacorp. The difference is how much money is shielded. The megacorp has a much larger amount of cash to work with than mom + pop. Since this money is considered corporate property it cannot easily be touched. The megacorp has far more money to gamble with and rarely has to worry about losing it except in the case of bankruptcy. If corporate charters were still sometimes revoked this may not be a consideration, but I can't remember the last corporate charter to be revoked. Perhaps I'm too young.

McDonalds can act with near impunity as far as ethical practices go because they will not be punished for it. Their ethical practices don't make a lot of difference when most people are easily swayed by slick marketing and convenience.

lookout123 · 11-01-2006, 10:48 PM

huh, i just read through this thread trying to find a reason that this is even an issue. if i get this straight, some big successful companies don't want their ads (which they pay for) to air during times that they (for whatever reason) have decided are not beneficial to their bottom line... how is this new?

WabUfvot5 · 11-01-2006, 11:51 PM

The corps have a right to do that, no doubt. The question is whether this is a coordinated effort to stifle a viewpoint they don't like.

lookout123 · 11-02-2006, 08:12 AM

why is it even a question? i don't think it is, but... eh. a group of businesses get together and decide "these radio stations aren't saying anything that benefits us. let's all agree not to air our commercials, which we pay for during their shows. agreed?" how is that a big deal?

if rush limbaugh or sean hannity (asshats #1 and #2) didn't bring a bazillion listeners to the table the big companies wouldn't be advertising during their shows either. welcome to business.

Spexxvet · 11-02-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

why is it even a question? i don't think it is, but... eh. a group of businesses get together and decide "these radio stations aren't saying anything that benefits us. let's all agree not to air our commercials, which we pay for during their shows. agreed?" how is that a big deal?
...

But what if ...

Karl Rove calls the CEOs of a group of businesses and tells them that if they spend ad money with Air America, the repubican controlled congress and white house will take back some of the candy they've been handing out for the last 6 years. That makes things a little different.

or

What if the companies get together and say "advertising on Air America yields a 50% return on our invested ad dollars (number puled out of my ass). But the money we get from the repubicans is just free money, we don't even have to invest a dime, except in campaign contributions, and they give us free money. To help keep this free money cash cow alive, let's make Air America go away by not spending our ad dollars with them." Less direct, but still effective.

Clodfobble · 11-02-2006, 10:59 AM

Because major corporations have been around for more than six years, Spexx, and they know how to weather the storm regardless of who's in office. I know that when you're running around with your hair on fire looking for conspiracy theories, it can be hard to remember, but the Republicans have not been in power forever, nor will they be.

Spexxvet · 11-02-2006, 11:22 AM

Are you trying to spoil all my fun?

And do I have to put out my hair?

BTW, this nasty administration will come back from the dead to fuck its opposition. You mark my words...

Aliantha · 11-02-2006, 07:17 PM

necrophilia?

Ibby · 11-02-2006, 07:23 PM

No, vitaphilia... the other way around, the dead fuckin' the live.

Aliantha · 11-02-2006, 07:34 PM

So when I tell someone to 'go fuck a dead donkey's dick' I'm actually suggesting they practice vitaphilia and beastiality at the same time?

11-01-2006, 01:22 PM	#16
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	You've gone so far down the path of the conspiracy theorist that you've turned yourself inside out and met yourself on the other side, haven't you? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-01-2006, 01:35 PM	#17
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I think that, in general, Corporate Mentality is more aligned with whoever will give them the most cookies. Right now, that's the Right. Wolf is right, this is only about money, not philosophy, ethics, freedom or anything else. If making this country into a dictatorship would put more money into corporate coffers, you can bet they'd be all for that, and you'd see commercials with a kindly, smiling Big Brother drinking a Coke. Meh. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-01-2006, 10:48 PM	#22
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	huh, i just read through this thread trying to find a reason that this is even an issue. if i get this straight, some big successful companies don't want their ads (which they pay for) to air during times that they (for whatever reason) have decided are not beneficial to their bottom line... how is this new? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

11-02-2006, 08:12 AM	#24
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	why is it even a question? i don't think it is, but... eh. a group of businesses get together and decide "these radio stations aren't saying anything that benefits us. let's all agree not to air our commercials, which we pay for during their shows. agreed?" how is that a big deal? if rush limbaugh or sean hannity (asshats #1 and #2) didn't bring a bazillion listeners to the table the big companies wouldn't be advertising during their shows either. welcome to business. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

11-02-2006, 11:22 AM	#27
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Are you trying to spoil all my fun? And do I have to put out my hair? BTW, this nasty administration will come back from the dead to fuck its opposition. You mark my words... __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

11-01-2006, 10:32 PM	#21
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Business is seperated from humanity at large. There is something called a corporate charter that makes business an artificial creation. They are imbued with more rights than the average person! So yes of course they are seperate from humanity at large if only for their special protections. Economics doesn't even enter into that. While mom and pop can have a business charter so too can the megacorp. The difference is how much money is shielded. The megacorp has a much larger amount of cash to work with than mom + pop. Since this money is considered corporate property it cannot easily be touched. The megacorp has far more money to gamble with and rarely has to worry about losing it except in the case of bankruptcy. If corporate charters were still sometimes revoked this may not be a consideration, but I can't remember the last corporate charter to be revoked. Perhaps I'm too young. McDonalds can act with near impunity as far as ethical practices go because they will not be punished for it. Their ethical practices don't make a lot of difference when most people are easily swayed by slick marketing and convenience.

11-01-2006, 11:51 PM	#23
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	The corps have a right to do that, no doubt. The question is whether this is a coordinated effort to stifle a viewpoint they don't like.

11-02-2006, 10:59 AM	#26
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Because major corporations have been around for more than six years, Spexx, and they know how to weather the storm regardless of who's in office. I know that when you're running around with your hair on fire looking for conspiracy theories, it can be hard to remember, but the Republicans have not been in power forever, nor will they be.

11-02-2006, 07:17 PM	#28
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	necrophilia? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2006, 07:23 PM	#29
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	No, vitaphilia... the other way around, the dead fuckin' the live. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-02-2006, 07:34 PM	#30
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So when I tell someone to 'go fuck a dead donkey's dick' I'm actually suggesting they practice vitaphilia and beastiality at the same time? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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