Daycare(angry rant) - Page 2

Clodfobble · 11-08-2006, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

Hiring a babysitter takes money we don't have to spare, so I don't see it happening.

Are there any other parents in your neighborhood? I occasionally "trade" time with friends who have kids--they watch my kid for a couple hours, and on another day I do the same for them. Free for everyone!

Flint · 11-08-2006, 02:27 PM

A childcare co-op. Great idea. My wife was in one, as a child I mean.

Pie · 11-08-2006, 07:48 PM

Hey, both my parents worked. I was in daycare from an early age, and did really well with it. My mother still had the biggest impact on my life, of any person on the globe. I'm pretty sure we both would have been scarred by any more quality time with each other!
YMMV.

Aliantha · 11-08-2006, 10:42 PM

They Australian system is very generous. This is mostly due to the fact that our population growth is almost at a standstill, so apart from imigration, our population is not growing. Long term, this leads to serious social issues with the younger generations having to somehow provide for the older ones with social services etc.

In my opinion with regard to childcare centres, as most parents do, I believe the maximum amount of time should be spent with kids, otherwise, as has been mentioned, why bother having them?

Speaking for myself, my kids have had daycare in the past while I was a single parent and either working or studying full time. Both of my sons are doing very well for themselves both socially and academically. In fact, my oldest is in the top 5% for his agegroup with numeroucy and is reading at 15yr old level. He is ten. My 9yr old is achieving highly in maths and is reading at 13yr old level. He's in the middle of the first book in LOTR atm.

Do I think they've suffered as a result of having people other than parents care for them? No. Do I think they've benefited? Maybe, although I don't think it's made that much difference.

As to parents having a coffee while their kids are in daycare? Well, I think that's been covered already.

Hoof Hearted · 11-08-2006, 11:28 PM

I would like to bring up that parenting is what you do with your children while you are with them, regardless of whether they are in school or daycare...it is how you interact with them at home where the most benefit lies.

Quality time with the quantity of time you spend with them.

Are they parked in front of the TV? Video games? Doing their own thing (reading, homework, talk on phone) in their rooms?
vs
Homework at the kitchen table as meal is being cooked or parent helping w/ homework? Family eat together at the table? Watch TV/movie as a family? Play interactive games like cards, puzzles and such?

That is where I see the biggest difference.

Aliantha · 11-08-2006, 11:41 PM

When I think of myself as a parent, time with my kids is important. As is providing for all their other needs as well. Finding the balance is the hard part, and really, I think that's what lots of other parents find too. You want them to have nice stuff, and to be proud of themselves etc, but you also want them to be emotionally secure too which means time and encouragement. Giving them the correct ratio of time vs providing for is hard.

Beestie · 11-09-2006, 12:10 AM

We've did day care for a while but eventually, mommie quit work and hasn't looked back.

There's pros and cons to each and I'm always leery of anyone who says one way is better than the other. As if they've worn every pair of shoes ever made.

glatt · 11-09-2006, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie

We've did day care for a while but eventually, mommie quit work and hasn't looked back.

There's pros and cons to each and I'm always leery of anyone who says one way is better than the other. As if they've worn every pair of shoes ever made.

Well said. That's the same situation we are in. Daycare first, then stay at home. Each has its benefits and drawbacks.

fargon · 11-10-2006, 02:03 AM

I am a single parent, even though my kids are grown and gone, I can feel for some people. My boys were the center of my universe. They never went to day care, I had a married room mate, And she took care of all the children in the household. While I may not have been there personally, I was never more than a phone call away. I was always their on weekends and we went biking and fishing allot. when I was able to get out of construction I did and was home every nite, we did homework together, and we would read to one another. I over heard a woman complaining about the amount of homework the kids were getting and how it cut into her weekend entertainment, because she wanted to throw house parties, and go out on the river. Evidently she is to important to mother her children. And wonders why her kids are in so much trouble in school...

Aliantha · 11-11-2006, 02:15 AM

Let's all just go easy and stop being judgemental - emphasis on the mental.

Aliantha · 11-11-2006, 02:15 AM

Actually, if you go too easy, you're likely to get a reputation, so don't be too easy, or people will call you a slut, and we can't have that happening on a MB.

DucksNuts · 11-12-2006, 08:13 PM

pissed Ali?

Aliantha · 11-12-2006, 08:59 PM

I wish I was right now. In fact, it's after 12. I think I'll pour myself a drink!

11-08-2006, 02:27 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	A childcare co-op. Great idea. My wife was in one, as a child I mean. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-08-2006, 07:48 PM	#3
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Hey, both my parents worked. I was in daycare from an early age, and did really well with it. My mother still had the biggest impact on my life, of any person on the globe. I'm pretty sure we both would have been scarred by any more quality time with each other! YMMV. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-08-2006, 10:42 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	They Australian system is very generous. This is mostly due to the fact that our population growth is almost at a standstill, so apart from imigration, our population is not growing. Long term, this leads to serious social issues with the younger generations having to somehow provide for the older ones with social services etc. In my opinion with regard to childcare centres, as most parents do, I believe the maximum amount of time should be spent with kids, otherwise, as has been mentioned, why bother having them? Speaking for myself, my kids have had daycare in the past while I was a single parent and either working or studying full time. Both of my sons are doing very well for themselves both socially and academically. In fact, my oldest is in the top 5% for his agegroup with numeroucy and is reading at 15yr old level. He is ten. My 9yr old is achieving highly in maths and is reading at 13yr old level. He's in the middle of the first book in LOTR atm. Do I think they've suffered as a result of having people other than parents care for them? No. Do I think they've benefited? Maybe, although I don't think it's made that much difference. As to parents having a coffee while their kids are in daycare? Well, I think that's been covered already. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-08-2006, 11:28 PM	#5
Hoof Hearted ...you smell something? Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Monroe, GA Posts: 420	I would like to bring up that parenting is what you do with your children while you are with them, regardless of whether they are in school or daycare...it is how you interact with them at home where the most benefit lies. Quality time with the quantity of time you spend with them. Are they parked in front of the TV? Video games? Doing their own thing (reading, homework, talk on phone) in their rooms? vs Homework at the kitchen table as meal is being cooked or parent helping w/ homework? Family eat together at the table? Watch TV/movie as a family? Play interactive games like cards, puzzles and such? That is where I see the biggest difference. __________________ I have the ability of single-minded determination and focu...Hey, look! A horse!

11-08-2006, 11:41 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	When I think of myself as a parent, time with my kids is important. As is providing for all their other needs as well. Finding the balance is the hard part, and really, I think that's what lots of other parents find too. You want them to have nice stuff, and to be proud of themselves etc, but you also want them to be emotionally secure too which means time and encouragement. Giving them the correct ratio of time vs providing for is hard. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-09-2006, 12:10 AM	#7
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	We've did day care for a while but eventually, mommie quit work and hasn't looked back. There's pros and cons to each and I'm always leery of anyone who says one way is better than the other. As if they've worn every pair of shoes ever made. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

11-10-2006, 02:03 AM	#9
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	I am a single parent, even though my kids are grown and gone, I can feel for some people. My boys were the center of my universe. They never went to day care, I had a married room mate, And she took care of all the children in the household. While I may not have been there personally, I was never more than a phone call away. I was always their on weekends and we went biking and fishing allot. when I was able to get out of construction I did and was home every nite, we did homework together, and we would read to one another. I over heard a woman complaining about the amount of homework the kids were getting and how it cut into her weekend entertainment, because she wanted to throw house parties, and go out on the river. Evidently she is to important to mother her children. And wonders why her kids are in so much trouble in school... __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

11-11-2006, 02:15 AM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Let's all just go easy and stop being judgemental - emphasis on the mental. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-12-2006, 08:13 PM	#12
DucksNuts Bitchy Little Brat Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,067	pissed Ali?

11-12-2006, 08:59 PM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I wish I was right now. In fact, it's after 12. I think I'll pour myself a drink! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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