D.U.C.E

[Rexmons]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No more private property?

private property is fine, but a group getting together, buying an entire region and not allowing certain people in is not.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You have no idea how many countries don't have flush toilets

I'm sure at one time or another there were states that didnt have flush toilets either but once the american economy began working it's magic, everyone caught up

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Who is funding all these benefits the billions are suddenly getting?

you know how most our tax dollars right now are going towards "defense", well imagine if we cut 95% of that.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Somehow being hacked with machetes would probably be off putting

Once again, the country will now have the benefit of the global army at there disposal, to help ensure citizen safety

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Wait and see if you feel the same way when you get into third grade.

I think you'll change your mind once you hit puberty.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Rexmons

private property is fine, but a group getting together, buying an entire region and not allowing certain people in is not.

That's one of the most anti-American statements ever made. Private property for some but not for others. Sure, that'll bring peace and tranquility.

I'm sure at one time or another there were states that didnt have flush toilets either but once the american economy began working it's magic, everyone caught up

So you don't know history, no wonder you can't plan a rational future, "with the same freedom and luxuries as you have grown accustomed to as having here."

you know how most our tax dollars right now are going towards "defense", well imagine if we cut 95% of that.

Are you really that ignorant? Military spending is 21% of what the feds will spend this year. 60% is spent on the things like, "all the benefits which come with it." Who's going to pay for those benefits for the rest of the world?

Once again, the country will now have the benefit of the global army at there disposal, to help ensure citizen safety

Hey, what a great idea. No police, the "Global Army" will protect us from everything. Somebody else will have to call them though, after you've been hacked to pieces.

I think you'll change your mind once you hit puberty.

I don't want to reach a puberty where you are waiting to fuck me with your idiotic schemes.
It's crystal clear you don't understand how the economy works, how the military works, how government works and most dangerous, how people/society works.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No more private property?

He is talking about a stateless society much like real Communism (not USSR communism) or true anarchy. This type of thinking is usually any extreme left-economic style.

Who is funding all these benefits the billions are suddenly getting?

Not you. It would be the people that are multi-millionaires and billionaires.


The only way to get a world like Rexmons is proposing is make a very far-left economic society. If you did use captialism, it would never end up like that.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Rexmons

I'm sure at one time or another there were states that didnt have flush toilets either but once the american economy began working it's magic, everyone caught up

American economy? The only way to get other countries up to the level as America is for them to work. If get into their politics it will only end up in pieces.

you know how most our tax dollars right now are going towards "defense", well imagine if we cut 95% of that.

You can not cut most of the funds. A lot of it goes to scholarships and other things that can not be cut.

Once again, the country will now have the benefit of the global army at there disposal, to help ensure citizen safety

Please explain.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

He is talking about a stateless society much like real Communism (not USSR communism) or true anarchy. This type of thinking is usually any extreme left-economic style.

He's saying super-state not stateless. I don't see how a government that removed from the people would be accountable. We've got a big enough bubble of unreality in DC, can you imagine when Pakistan hosts the world congress?

Anarchy (An-Cap flavored) I could live with, excepting that little problem where violent people keep trying to make governments to rule others.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

He is talking about a stateless society much like real Communism (not USSR communism) or true anarchy. This type of thinking is usually any extreme left-economic style.

He/she said private property was fine for some, that's communism where some (pigs) are more equal that others.

Not you. It would be the people that are multi-millionaires and billionaires.

If you took all the millionaire's and all the billionaire's, money, you wouldn't even come close to that tab.

The only way to get a world like Rexmons is proposing is make a very far-left economic society. If you did use captialism, it would never end up like that.

No, there is no way... at all, ever. It's a poorly thought out pipe dream.... John Lennon/Yoko Ono territory.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

He/she said private property was fine for some, that's communism where some (pigs) are more equal that others.

Your right, my bad.

If you took all the millionaire's and all the billionaire's, money, you wouldn't even come close to that tab.

That is the only way you could try, all it would be is a jumpstart and then the countries would have to start pulling their own weight.

No, there is no way... at all, ever. It's a poorly thought out pipe dream.... John Lennon/Yoko Ono territory.

I agree with you, it can never happen but a far left economy would get closer than a far right when it comes to one big country.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The money from the million and billionaires wouldn't jumpstart anything, that's for giving everyone else, "the same freedom and luxuries as you have grown accustomed to as having here."

Come to think of it, that's a great job for our politicians, they're good at pissing away money.

[Rexmons]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's one of the most anti-American statements ever made. Private property for some but not for others. Sure, that'll bring peace and tranquility.

I'm not saying whites can own land and blacks cant, I'm saying 10,000 whites cant get together, buy an entire states and say no blacks allowed, if that’s anti-American then so be it.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So you don't know history, no wonder you can't plan a rational future, "with the same freedom and luxuries as you have grown accustomed to as having here."

I am not quite sure where you're going with this, but I think it is safe to assume America as a whole did not develop simultaneously or evenly.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Are you really that ignorant? Military spending is 21% of what the feds will spend this year. 60% is spent on the things like, "all the benefits which come with it." Who's going to pay for those benefits for the rest of the world?

I am not saying cut 95% of taxes, I'm saying cut 95% of military spending.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Hey, what a great idea. No police, the "Global Army" will protect us from everything. Somebody else will have to call them though, after you've been hacked to pieces.

Once again, I'm not saying not to have a police force. What I am saying, is that if a hostile military presence is in a county which joins the union, then the D.U.C.E military would be employed. The regular police would still be there to do there job.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I don't want to reach a puberty where you are waiting to fuck me with your idiotic schemes.
It's crystal clear you don't understand how the economy works, how the military works, how government works and most dangerous, how people/society works.

I don't mind debating ideas, but arguing just for the sake of arguing, I'm not willing to do. If you have serious questions I'm more than happy to discuss / debate them with you, but if you just want to have a drag-out fight then I'm not going to humor you.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Rexmons

I'm not saying whites can own land and blacks cant, I'm saying 10,000 whites cant get together, buy an entire states and say no blacks allowed, if that’s anti-American then so be it.

Would it be Anti-American to blow that land up since I hate white supremecy?

I am not saying cut 95% of taxes, I'm saying cut 95% of military spending.

Before making a blunt statement like that research what military funding is being spent on. I'm sure you will be suprised.

[Rexmons]

hawk basically im saying we'll have to pay 95% less because all the other countries are going to share the bill, not that im saying lets get rid of the military. also yea i think the whole "blowing up" thing might get you in trouble.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Rexmons

I'm not saying whites can own land and blacks cant, I'm saying 10,000 whites cant get together, buy an entire states and say no blacks allowed, if that’s anti-American then so be it.

The basic principle of private property is that if you own it you can keep anybody and everybody off it. It doesn't matter how big it is, if you don't want blacks or whites or asians on your property that's your right. Where you run afoul of the law is by refusing to sell to someone because of race, color, creed, when you put it on the market. If you want to change that, you're knocking out one of the foremost underpinnings of the United States.

I am not quite sure where you're going with this, but I think it is safe to assume America as a whole did not develop simultaneously or evenly.

That's true, and because of that , "Imagine being able to live anywhere in the world with the same freedom and luxuries as you have grown accustomed to as having here, anywhere.", is a preposterous statement.

I am not saying cut 95% of taxes, I'm saying cut 95% of military spending.

Bullshit, what you said was;

you know how most our tax dollars right now are going towards "defense", well imagine if we cut 95% of that.

That's not true.

Once again, I'm not saying not to have a police force. What I am saying, is that if a hostile military presence is in a county which joins the union, then the D.U.C.E military would be employed. The regular police would still be there to do there job.

Yeah, just like the UN troops have prevented genocide in Africa. What about the places there are no police or they are effectively an arm of the military. I suppose I have to pay to create one. It would have to be one hell of a force too, in the many parts of the world that has no rule of law, people feel might makes right, and the machete rules. Usually the police there feel the same way.

I don't mind debating ideas, but arguing just for the sake of arguing, I'm not willing to do. If you have serious questions I'm more than happy to discuss / debate them with you, but if you just want to have a drag-out fight then I'm not going to humor you.

I will always argue against stupid ideas that propose fucking up the United States, for a hare brained scheme to impose our standards of society on the whole world. On people that don't understand, and if they do, don't agree with, how we live or what we believe in.
The worse flaw in the scheme is assuming that if all the nations of the world were equally prosporous, every one would think alike and get along because there would be no hate without envy. That is not true. was never true, will never be true.
The only thing this idea would accomplish is to make the United States a second or even third world nation.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Rexmons

hawk basically im saying we'll have to pay 95% less because all the other countries are going to share the bill, not that im saying lets get rid of the military. also yea i think the whole "blowing up" thing might get you in trouble.

Those countries will need a miltary too so they will worrying about their own bill.