Defining Terrorism

[xoxoxoBruce]

If he labels six misguided mass murders in Cherry Hill as Al Qaeda, then many here will believe that also.

Minor point. The Cherry Hill six didn't murder anyone nor have they been convicted of intending to, yet. So calling them "misguided mass murders" is the equivalent of calling them Al Qaeda.... which reinforces your point.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

If it was only terrorism, then it did not justify full scale invasion. More died on 11 September than in Pearl Harbor. Those actions exceeded the domain of terrorism.

It most certainly did justify it. It does not justify it because you say it did not? what a crock...


(not talking Iraq here)

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It most certainly did justify it. It does not justify it because you say it did not? what a crock...


(not talking Iraq here)

From the same post:

Originally Posted by tw

11 September clearly exceeded the definition of terrorism. You might call it terrorism plus just to feel better. But 11 September met a criteria that justifies full scale war - invasion of a sovereign nation. Terrorism would not justify such a response.

If you like calling it only trivial terrorism, then do it. But when it comes to measuring what justifies a full scale war - terrorism does not qualify. 11 September clearly was a smoking gun that justified war.

[Flint]

Hey, no worries. All the privacy invasions and rollbacks on civil liberties are only to catch the bad guys, okay?

Those who, uh believe that the "Constitution has been subverted" or, uh are "focused on issues such as World Trade, International Debt, and military involvement in foreign cultures" or, uh, are "Gay Rights Activists" . . . yes . . . no reason to be worried. Freedom is on the march! God Bless USA!

They're only after the bad guys. Everything is okay. No need for crazy conspiracy theories, okay? Go watch some more TV. Eat a cheeto.

The house to house searches, with no intelligence on specific homes, just random searches for no legal reason, in Iraq, done by our military. Terrorism.
It serves NO purpose but to create a climate of fear.
Terrorism.
We are terrorists in that nation and have been since day one and will be until we leave, which should be today.

[Flint]

Environmentalists, or Gay Rights Activists, are Terrorists. How do we end up with ideas such as these?

Once your ability to reason has been compromised, every aspect of your life will be affected. There is no way to believe in a small fallacy in one corner of your mind, and continue to make competent decisions elsewhere.

Men who buy into a flawed premise, for whatever reason, become chaos machines.

If we are conditioned to accept faulty thought patterns in one situation (which is believed to be justified) the real danger is that the same faulty thought pattern will be applied to other situations. The true evil is sloppy thinking; and this is an evil which is not consciously acted out. It's just a bad habit.

The pervasive, creeping fungus that slowly spreads across our collective consciousness is nothing more than ignorance multiplied by laziness.

[glatt]

I thought on day one, we were shockers and awers, not terrorizers.

Some environmentalists are terrorists.
Those that sabotage equipment or stake trees are terrorists. But not all.
You cannot apply that to all because some practice it.
Gay activists... I have no idea. People are idiots.
The idea that gay marriage will, somehow, alter the "sanctity" of their own marriage is a stupid idea. There is no other word for it... it is just stupid.
They are stupid, uneducated, inarticulate, people.
If they were not, one, just one, would be able to articulate how gay marriage directly affects their marriage.
Just that.
Directly, succinctly, address that point, answer that question and nothing more.
No red herrings, no side points, no religious babbling, nothing else. Just, exactly how two gay people getting married is going to directly affect their marriage.
I can't wait.

[BigV]

Arson is the new Terror.

Government sentencing memo says arson constitutes 'terrorism'

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

EUGENE, Ore. -- A sentencing memorandum filed Friday by federal prosecutors says that arson and sabotage by 10 radical environmentalists convicted of setting fires across five Western states amounted to terrorism.

Actually, if you ask me, terror is the new stupid.

[xoxoxoBruce]

How is this different from a hate crime. I think that's in the running for the new stupid.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How is this different from a hate crime. I think that's in the running for the new stupid.

I suppose you could prosecute them because they hate folks who believe in human progress.

[xoxoxoBruce]

It's ironic, if the environmentalists hadn't gotten their way in the first place, the forest floor wouldn't be littered with the fuel that makes forest fires such a good terrorist tool.

Terrorism is a tactic, a real one. Hate crime is a definition based on a misnomer, a fiction.

[Happy Monkey]

Loggers don't clean up that fuel. They cut down the big trees (not the small ones that fuel fires), strip off the branches, and haul out the trunks. That leaves much more fuel than leaving it alone, and removes the trees that might have had a chance to survive the fire.

Also, a "thinned out" forest has more light reach the ground, drying out the dead leaves and supporting the growth of vines and underbrush, further increasing the fre hazard.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Nonsense, loggers clear cut and burn the slash (small shit) they don't leave it in piles. At least they didn't until the greenies made them leave it for critter cover.

That crap makes forest fires orders of magnitude harder to fight. It's harder to get to the fires, but more importantly a fire will race across the crown but not kill most of the healthy trees, just set them back a year or two. The fuel on the forest floor keeps the fire going long enough to cook/kill the trees.

On the east coast they selectively harvest mature trees(hardwoods) because clear cutting doesn't make sense except in the south where the take everything for paper. Around here when the cut selected hardwoods, someone is cutting the slash for firewood, guaranteed.

If they don't selectively cut the mature hardwoods then your furniture has to come from the rain forests or the oil well