Under the heading of Getting Burned on the Irony

[DanaC]

No, some of the effects of the drugs don't directly address psychotic symptoms (such as hearing voices). So, in addition to tackling the hearing of voices, the drug may also help them relax: if you take the drug, there are no voices for it to tackle but it may well still relax you (or make you sleepy) and you may experience the same side effects as anyone else taking the drug.

[jinx]

So a burn left untreated will stop hurting as quickly as it will if treated with calendula? Do a little experiment on your own and find out.

And maybe read this.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by jinx

So a burn left untreated will stop hurting as quickly as it will if treated with calendula? Do a little experiment on your own and find out.

A quick Googling reveals calendula to be an ointment with an actual herbal component. I don't know about it in particular, but it is at least possible for herbal remedies to work, as they actually have ingredients, and many medicines are derived from plants. Herbal remedies (the ones that actually work) don't rely on "vibrations" or "clustering", they are essentially weak versions of the actual medications that are derived from them.

And maybe read this.

I know what natural frequency and natural resonance are.

Natural resonance is irrelevant to the concept of homeopathy. It is based on a real vibration, not "vibration" or water "clusters".

Originally Posted by Wired

Natural resonance describes the minute vibration frequency that every object has. If you get two objects sharing an exact natural resonance, it can lead to those vibrations being excited into stronger ones.

When they say vibration here, they are talking about actual, physical, left-right-up-down-to-fro movement. Resonance in a molecule will result in heat- that's how microwave ovens work. Resonance in a liquid will result in waves. Kids often discover this in the bath, when they make splashes at just the right frequency to amplify them over the side of the tub. Resonance in a sugar pill will cause it to crumble.

[jinx]

A quick googling will reveal arnica montana, bee venom, belladonna, arsenic etc. to be actual substances - and yet when prepared homeopathically, like calendula, they should be ineffective according to your argument.

All I'm saying is that in my experience, the shit works. If you're saying that you're not buying it because current science can't explain it to your satisfaction - I'm fine with that. And it still works.

[Happy Monkey]

Yes, when prepared homeopathically, they are useless. Calendula as well. If they are prepared in an herbal or folk concoction, they may be useful (or harmful). That's one thing that is good about homeopathic remedies- they can honestly say there are no harmful side effects, as there are no effects at all.

For example, if you take some calendula and mix it with fat, and smear it on a burn, then you are applying calendula to the burn. If calendula is efficacious, then it will have its effect.

If you take calendula, and mix it into ten units of water, and then repeat that process thirty times, then all you will have left is water, and when you put it on a burn, it will be as useful as water.

[jinx]

So calendula 1X HPUS in fat would do what?

[Happy Monkey]

Apparently 1X means one part calendula to 9 parts water. So there's still some actual ingredient in there. It would do whatever calendula does. If smearing calendula on a burn is helpful, is still may work in a 1X.

On the other hand, getting a 90% water mixture to stick in fat is a bit of a trick. You'd be better off using the raw calendula and putting the right dose directly into the fat. 0X HPUS, if you will.

Assuming, of course, that calendula is beneficial in the first place.

[jinx]

Interesting article related to vibrations...

All objects have resonant frequencies at which they naturally oscillate. Pluck a guitar string and it will vibrate at a resonant frequency.
But resonating can get out of control. A famous example is the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, which warped and finally collapsed in 1940 due to a wind that rocked the bridge back and forth at one of its resonant frequencies.
Viruses are susceptible to the same kind of mechanical excitation. An experimental group led by K. T. Tsen from Arizona State University have recently shown that pulses of laser light can induce destructive vibrations in virus shells.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Good, good, good, good vibrations!