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Aliantha · 11-26-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Never argued with any of these points and don't.

Well if you agree with these points, what is the argument? What are you trying to do mate? Are you just making sure that everyone realizes they have the same right to choose not to vote for people who make choices based on religious beliefs?

Ibby · 11-26-2007, 05:05 PM

NO! Liberty is about electing the candidate I like!

Edit: damn iPod... Types too slow, always post too late...

Aliantha · 11-26-2007, 05:08 PM

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like the moron in office and those who do not believe in evolution who should not hold office.

This to me says that if you don't believe in evolution you shouldn't hold office.

Many people who believe in God don't believe in evolution.

This then means that you are critical of anyone who believes in God and not evolution, holding office.

piercehawkeye45 · 11-27-2007, 06:10 PM

Sorry about going back to this but it seems like this went off-topic a while ago....

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

This to me says that if you don't believe in evolution you shouldn't hold office.

Many people who believe in God don't believe in evolution.

This then means that you are critical of anyone who believes in God and not evolution, holding office.

Just focusing on this one comment, I don't see how saying "people who believe in creationism shouldn't hold office" is an attack on theists.

If everyone who believed in God didn't believe in evolution, your point would stand but many people that do believe in God also believe in evolution so there does not necessarily have to be a link between the two.

I, for one, would never vote for someone who does not believe in evolution into office. This is not because I don't like religious people or do not trust them, just that I see creationism as a logical flaw (not the exact word I'm looking for but eh) because it requires a belief that is not supported by any evidence.

All evidence about how humans came into existence goes to evolution and none of it supports creationism. As I said before, this not only means that these people believe in something that has zero empirical evidence backing it but it also means that they put God in front of science. That would most likely mean that they will put God and their personal religious beliefs in front of politics, which is something I would personally like to avoid being secular. If there is tremendous support of something that goes against someone's religious belief, I would like a politician that would side with the evidence and support instead of something with zero proof.

This is more of a stretch but it also deals with flaws in logic. I would not like a president who, in lack of evidence, firmly believes that a country has WMDs and supports Al Qeada and will be willing to risk the lives and security of millions to act out on that belief. I am not saying that the decision to attack that country has anything to do with religion or creationism, but that someone who has previously put faith in front of evidence will probably be more likely to do it in the future.

For the record, I do not believe that most politicians have politics that favor the greater good as their first priority anyways but it is my personal preference to not throw religion in the mix.

classicman · 11-28-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If everyone who believed in God didn't believe in evolution, your point would stand but many people that do believe in God also believe in evolution so there does not necessarily have to be a link between the two.

I, for one, would never vote for someone who does not believe in evolution into office. This is not because I don't like religious people or do not trust them, just that I see creationism as a logical flaw (not the exact word I'm looking for but eh) because it requires a belief that is not supported by any evidence.

I think what you are defining here is faith, and I think having faith can be a good thing.

Happy Monkey · 11-28-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

... and I think having faith can be a good thing.

I think that's an article of faith.

Making not requiring justification from those in authority (or a book purporting to be an authority) into a virtue strikes me as pretty manipulative. It's not limited to religious leaders, of course. Unquestioning obedience is a common "virtue" of those surrounding... strong, shall we say... leaders.

Cloud · 11-26-2007, 05:14 PM

my post was meant to be a respectful suggestion, not whining.

11-26-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

my post was meant to be a respectful suggestion, not whining.

Respectful?
Every news feed, hardly. Go somewhere else, yeah, I'm feelin' tha' love. News worthy... I'll be sure to run my posts by you in the future from now on. Give me a break.
Nothing in that post was respectful.

jinx · 11-26-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Respectful?
Go somewhere else, yeah, I'm feelin' tha' love.

You get what you give Rage Guy. What comes around, goes around...

11-26-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

You get what you give Rage Guy. What comes around, goes around...

I was disrespectful to Cloud at what point, I told her to stop posting threads when, told her to leave at what time?

11-26-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

This to me says that if you don't believe in evolution you shouldn't hold office.

Many people who believe in God don't believe in evolution.

This then means that you are critical of anyone who believes in God and not evolution, holding office.

I do feel that way, that does not mean I think everyone else has to.
I do think if someone is that superstitious and disregards facts to that extent they are going to do the same thing with data presented to them in office. It is simple logic and should be applied.

Aliantha · 11-26-2007, 05:17 PM

I realize that's how you feel RKZ. So does pretty much everyone else here. That's why I'm wondering if there's any other point you're trying to make or if that's just it.

I would really like to understand, and I think maybe others would also.

11-26-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I realize that's how you feel RKZ. So does pretty much everyone else here. That's why I'm wondering if there's any other point you're trying to make or if that's just it.

I would really like to understand, and I think maybe others would also.

Discussion forum.
Confused?
Don't like the topic, don't post.
I don't go into the topics that I don't like and whine and bitch about them.
Whaaaaaa you posted another clone, whaaaaaa you posted another poll, whaaaaa you posted another who likes to fuck this way... whaaaaaaaa.... I just ignore them, it's easy, in fact, it is beyond easy it is NOT doing something, it is less than effort it is lack of any action.
Those that post whining in them want to have responses and the attention, that is why they do it or they would do the rational thing, if they really don't like the topic, and just ignore it.
Just don't post in the thread if you don't have something intelligent to add and you really don't care about to the topic, is that so difficult?

bluecuracao · 11-26-2007, 05:29 PM

Yeah, Ali. You are so beneath the topic of this thread.

lookout123 · 11-26-2007, 05:30 PM

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just ignore them, it's easy, in fact, it is beyond easy it is NOT doing something, it is less than effort it is lack of any action.

yeah, but if it is a worthy effort for someone to bitch and moan about bibles in a hotel drawer then certainly discussing the value of seeing the same fucking thread posted over and over and over again by the same one trick pony is worth talking about, right?
i mean it might be easier to ignore, but dammit - sometimes you've just gotta stand up and say "enough!"

wait, which thread is this again? oh nevermind, you've probably already started a new one.

11-26-2007, 05:05 PM	#2
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	NO! Liberty is about electing the candidate I like! Edit: damn iPod... Types too slow, always post too late... __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-26-2007, 05:14 PM	#7
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	my post was meant to be a respectful suggestion, not whining. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-26-2007, 05:17 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I realize that's how you feel RKZ. So does pretty much everyone else here. That's why I'm wondering if there's any other point you're trying to make or if that's just it. I would really like to understand, and I think maybe others would also. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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11-26-2007, 05:29 PM	#14
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Yeah, Ali. You are so beneath the topic of this thread.

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