Did we just declare a financial War on Iran?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xiphos

Everybody thinks that the war is GWB's fault. Yeah, we invaded Iraq under his control, but you would probably do the same thing if one of the most symbolic buildings in america was attacked by terrorists. Besides, I support the war because we need to look further into the future. The middle-east is a HUGE mess, and we are establishing the 1st democracy there.

It's scary to think this would be a product of the American education system.

1) Iraq had nothing to do with 11 September.

2) Democracies imposed on other nations just don't ceate stability. The nation must first want and earn its democracy.

3) The only form of government that works is the one that the locals choose; not the one imposed by outsiders from the other side of the world.

[Clodfobble]

Wow.

What a concise and effective post. I'm so proud, I think I'm tearing up a little bit.

[classicman]

readable too - I knew he had it in him/her.

[xiphos]

Originally Posted by tw

It's scary to think this would be a product of the American education system.

1) Iraq had nothing to do with 11 September.

2) Democracies imposed on other nations just don't ceate stability. The nation must first want and earn its democracy.

3) The only form of government that works is the one that the locals choose; not the one imposed by outsiders from the other side of the world.

1) Ok, I admit I was wrong...
2) Iraq DOES want democracy. Didn't you see all the happy people with the purple ink?
3) But do you think a country would be more stable if it were a democracy? Would you want a leader to force himself into power, hog up all the wealth of the country, and put wealthy people in the high ranking government positions instead of smart, highly educated people that know what they are doing?
4) Everyone that thinks Bush is a bad president. Well, his dad was a great president, he got to learn first-hand how to run the country. Trust me, Bush knows what he is doing better than almost everybody in the U.S.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xiphos

2) Iraq DOES want democracy. Didn't you see all the happy people with the purple ink?

And America wants to kill all negros, Jews, and homosexuals.


I'm sure a large amount of people in Iraq do want democracy. I wouldn't even be surprised if the majority of people in Iraq want a democracy, but democracy does not work well in non-homogeneous populations. You can see that in almost every African and Middle Eastern country. Not only that, the democracy would be a western-run democracy, something that may not be as popular in Iraq and will be seen as imperialistic.

3) But do you think a country would be more stable if it were a democracy? Would you want a leader to force himself into power, hog up all the wealth of the country, and put wealthy people in the high ranking government positions instead of smart, highly educated people that know what they are doing?

Possibly, but not necessarily. If the Iraqi people rose up and gave themselves democracy, then I would have confidence that you are right but we had to invade them, which probably means a puppet or revolutionary ruler will pop up, which doesn't guarantee safety.

And what makes you think that any democracy has smart people that know what they are doing in power....

4) Everyone that thinks Bush is a bad president. Well, his dad was a great president, he got to learn first-hand how to run the country. Trust me, Bush knows what he is doing better than almost everybody in the U.S.

Yes, that is why monarchies are such a good idea...

Bush messed up on many fronts. We have multiple threads on actions of our president and I'm sure tw could write you a goddamn book on why Bush is a bad president.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

It's scary to think this would be a product of the American education system.

1) Iraq had nothing to do with 11 September.

2) Democracies imposed on other nations just don't ceate stability. The nation must first want and earn its democracy.

3) The only form of government that works is the one that the locals choose; not the one imposed by outsiders from the other side of the world.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by xiphos

Trust me

I don't think so.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by glatt

I don't think so.

I'm glad you said it.

[xiphos]

Originally Posted by glatt

I don't think so.

So you know more about running the country than Bush?

[glatt]

Almost certainly. But my point was more along the lines of not trusting you because you already showed that you don't know what you are talking about when you implied that Iraq was behind 9/11. Also, your statement that Iraq wants a democracy seems like quite a stretch. I think each ethnic/religious group wants to be in power and doesn't give a shit about democracy (which is power sharing.)

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by xiphos

So you know more about running the country than Bush?

He does know more about running the country than bush. Bushes are hard to run, they pretty much just grow, bloom, go dormant, and repeat it all again the next year.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by glatt

Almost certainly. But my point was more along the lines of not trusting you because you already showed that you don't know what you are talking about when you implied that Iraq was behind 9/11. Also, your statement that Iraq wants a democracy seems like quite a stretch. I think each ethnic/religious group wants to be in power and doesn't give a shit about democracy (which is power sharing.)

But, he saw the purple fingers!

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xiphos

So you know more about running the country than Bush?

I hate this argument.

I personally believe that John Madden is a bad sports announcer. Could I do a better job? No, of course not and if he actually was an absolutely horrible sports announcer he would never have gotten the job in the first place. But, I believe that many other people can announce better than him so to that professional standard, I would consider him bad.

In the same way, do I think I can run the United States better than Bush? Probably not, but I can say that there are many other people that are able to. Unfortunately, many of these people run businesses, teach, and sometimes are even working class. A flaw I see with American politics is that the best leader will not necessarily get elected, but what leader can get the greatest number of votes. Some will sell their soul to the devil (Hilary), some will lie (every politician), and others are extremely charismatic (Obama), but having one or many of those characteristics does not guarantee a good leader.

[deadbeater]

pierce don't sell yourself short; you can be a better president than W. And I hardly know you.

And the one with the most votes does not necessarily win, which we painfully learn in 200.

[xiphos]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I hate this argument.

I personally believe that John Madden is a bad sports announcer. Could I do a better job? No, of course not and if he actually was an absolutely horrible sports announcer he would never have gotten the job in the first place. But, I believe that many other people can announce better than him so to that professional standard, I would consider him bad.

In the same way, do I think I can run the United States better than Bush? Probably not, but I can say that there are many other people that are able to. Unfortunately, many of these people run businesses, teach, and sometimes are even working class. A flaw I see with American politics is that the best leader will not necessarily get elected, but what leader can get the greatest number of votes. Some will sell their soul to the devil (Hilary), some will lie (every politician), and others are extremely charismatic (Obama), but having one or many of those characteristics does not guarantee a good leader.

you're absolutly right, but obviously people didn't see my use of the word ALMOST.