June 16, 2009: Kinetic Plates - Page 2

sweetwater · 06-16-2009, 07:42 AM

So let the cars run over a plate & collect a coupon for the store at the other side and keep everybody happy. Seriously, innovative technologies seem always to be ridiculous and inefficient to start. As an experiment that will be monitored and tweaked, I think this could be great. Next they should try out my idea of installing zillions of pinwheels between lanes on highways to collect the wind energy produced by passing vehicles. Hey, someday it will all seem normal.
Some day.

sullage · 06-16-2009, 07:56 AM

i defend this practice. "green" is too nebulous, but i believe it is worthwhile.
this is the consumer face of innovation; a visible, profitable design. perhaps this isn't the best work, it might be stealing energy from the cars, or contributing to the false impression that driving can be healthy, but it demonstrates the technology and feeds money back to research.
would you like to see houses with exterior walls that power the lights? what about lumbar support in your computer chair that powers your computer? you'll get these things and many more if the technology is popular and profitable.
"the better is the enemy of the good." --voltaire

ps. welcome, adam.

Sundae · 06-16-2009, 08:53 AM

My Sainsbury's in Greenwich had solar panels and three wind turbines. I've no idea whether they did anything useful, but seeing them there made me at least think they are trying.

Used to make me even more mad when the person in front of me at the checkout loaded up a trolley full of shopping into disposable carrier bags...

DanaC · 06-16-2009, 08:55 AM

Umm...I use disposable shoppng bags...but then again I reuse them ...as bin liners and as a place to store paperwork

Sundae · 06-16-2009, 08:56 AM

I use a shopping trolley.
Yes, I have a granny shopper and I'm proud of it.
Dad likes it because when I go to Tesco they give me 5 green points on his Clubcard. Mingy old Sainsbury's only count it as one point on my Nectar Card.

Gravdigr · 06-17-2009, 04:31 PM

The cars are coming & going anyway, plate or no plate. It's free energy once it's paid for. "The car has to drive up the plate..." Has anyone ever driven 'up' a speed bump? Of course not, you slow down and coast over them, same as with the plate. I say free energy. So there.

ZenGum · 06-16-2009, 09:00 AM

Say, is there any place in the world where the shopping trolleys get the minimal regular maintenance that they need?
Everywhere I go, the trolleys all have wheels which have come loose and could be tightened with a wrench in seconds, but instead are left to rattle and wear into an early grave.
In the name of the FSM, is there any shop in the world not too dumb to maintain their own infrastructure? Anyone???

lumberjim · 06-16-2009, 03:39 PM

Install them in basketball courts across the country!

stanford93 · 06-16-2009, 04:04 PM

"What this system does do is rob customers of (granted, minute amounts of) fuel energy, so the overall cost of this system considering everybody involved is greater than before."

um, that is more than a reach. it's using kinetic energy that would otherwise be lost completely when the vehicle braked and came to a stop. it was going to be dissipated/wasted regardless as 99.99% of the vehicles out there aren't going to have regenerative braking systems. if it was placed in the middle of a street where you wouldn't normally be decelerating, different story.

Beest · 06-16-2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stanford93

"What this system does do is rob customers of (granted, minute amounts of) fuel energy, so the overall cost of this system considering everybody involved is greater than before."

um, that is more than a reach. it's using kinetic energy that would otherwise be lost completely when the vehicle braked and came to a stop. it was going to be dissipated/wasted regardless as 99.99% of the vehicles out there aren't going to have regenerative braking systems. if it was placed in the middle of a street where you wouldn't normally be decelerating, different story.

Only if the plates performed a braking function, if they are just in the lane so you drive over them then they are taking the kinetic energy of your vehicle, which if you just speed up again caused you to burn more fuel to replace it.

If they are placed say at the entrances where there would be a speed bump ( sleeping policeman

) to reduce speed as you enter the car park, then it could be an efficient and green redistribution of energy, damn I'm going to have to RTFA now

classicman · 06-16-2009, 04:05 PM

WOW! new cellar lurker record! 2 posts on almost 4 years... outstanding.

Good points too.

Elspode · 06-16-2009, 10:04 PM

The poster has a serious economy of words.

capnhowdy · 06-16-2009, 10:06 PM

Put one in front of the toilet and buy a keg of beer. C U LTR, power co.!

Tree Fae · 06-16-2009, 10:30 PM

One thing noone noted was the fact that they are in the stores parking lot. They are taking energy from their own property after all. This seems a lot more resonable than the 10.00 parking fees we pay for concerts, football games, etc. Sounded like a good deal to me

toranokaze · 06-17-2009, 12:22 AM

Where this is truly green will depend on, thus, the amount of extra fuel that is necessary to move the cars over the bumps verises the amount of coal spent to produce the same amount of energy.

Regardless, this is capturing energy and innovative which should be applauded . It is this kind of thinking that will propels us to green power.

Finally from what I have seen in the diagrams I buy that they could produce 30kw/hr at peak efficacy

06-16-2009, 07:42 AM	#1
sweetwater lives inside a Mobius strip Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,120	So let the cars run over a plate & collect a coupon for the store at the other side and keep everybody happy. Seriously, innovative technologies seem always to be ridiculous and inefficient to start. As an experiment that will be monitored and tweaked, I think this could be great. Next they should try out my idea of installing zillions of pinwheels between lanes on highways to collect the wind energy produced by passing vehicles. Hey, someday it will all seem normal. Some day. __________________ I knew I shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque! - Bugs Bunny

06-16-2009, 07:56 AM	#2
sullage Master Locutor Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 155	i defend this practice. "green" is too nebulous, but i believe it is worthwhile. this is the consumer face of innovation; a visible, profitable design. perhaps this isn't the best work, it might be stealing energy from the cars, or contributing to the false impression that driving can be healthy, but it demonstrates the technology and feeds money back to research. would you like to see houses with exterior walls that power the lights? what about lumbar support in your computer chair that powers your computer? you'll get these things and many more if the technology is popular and profitable. "the better is the enemy of the good." --voltaire ps. welcome, adam. Last edited by sullage; 06-16-2009 at 08:09 AM. Reason: added quote and welcome

06-17-2009, 04:31 PM	#6
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	The cars are coming & going anyway, plate or no plate. It's free energy once it's paid for. "The car has to drive up the plate..." Has anyone ever driven 'up' a speed bump? Of course not, you slow down and coast over them, same as with the plate. I say free energy. So there. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

06-16-2009, 09:00 AM	#7
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Say, is there any place in the world where the shopping trolleys get the minimal regular maintenance that they need? Everywhere I go, the trolleys all have wheels which have come loose and could be tightened with a wrench in seconds, but instead are left to rattle and wear into an early grave. In the name of the FSM, is there any shop in the world not too dumb to maintain their own infrastructure? Anyone??? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

06-16-2009, 03:39 PM	#8
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	Install them in basketball courts across the country! __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

06-16-2009, 08:53 AM	#3
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	My Sainsbury's in Greenwich had solar panels and three wind turbines. I've no idea whether they did anything useful, but seeing them there made me at least think they are trying. Used to make me even more mad when the person in front of me at the checkout loaded up a trolley full of shopping into disposable carrier bags...

06-16-2009, 08:56 AM	#5
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I use a shopping trolley. Yes, I have a granny shopper and I'm proud of it. Dad likes it because when I go to Tesco they give me 5 green points on his Clubcard. Mingy old Sainsbury's only count it as one point on my Nectar Card.

06-16-2009, 04:04 PM	#9
stanford93 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	I would have to disagree "What this system does do is rob customers of (granted, minute amounts of) fuel energy, so the overall cost of this system considering everybody involved is greater than before." um, that is more than a reach. it's using kinetic energy that would otherwise be lost completely when the vehicle braked and came to a stop. it was going to be dissipated/wasted regardless as 99.99% of the vehicles out there aren't going to have regenerative braking systems. if it was placed in the middle of a street where you wouldn't normally be decelerating, different story.

06-16-2009, 04:05 PM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	WOW! new cellar lurker record! 2 posts on almost 4 years... outstanding. Good points too. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-16-2009, 10:04 PM	#12
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The poster has a serious economy of words. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

06-16-2009, 10:06 PM	#13
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Put one in front of the toilet and buy a keg of beer. C U LTR, power co.! __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

06-16-2009, 10:30 PM	#14
Tree Fae Major Inhabitant Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Raytown, MO Posts: 120	One thing noone noted was the fact that they are in the stores parking lot. They are taking energy from their own property after all. This seems a lot more resonable than the 10.00 parking fees we pay for concerts, football games, etc. Sounded like a good deal to me __________________ May the Forest Be With You!!

06-17-2009, 12:22 AM	#15
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	Where this is truly green will depend on, thus, the amount of extra fuel that is necessary to move the cars over the bumps verises the amount of coal spent to produce the same amount of energy. Regardless, this is capturing energy and innovative which should be applauded . It is this kind of thinking that will propels us to green power. Finally from what I have seen in the diagrams I buy that they could produce 30kw/hr at peak efficacy __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

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