War on Bali/Indonesia/Australia - Page 2

10-15-2002, 11:46 AM

Indonesia is actually #1 when it comes to sheer number of muslims.

jaguar · 10-15-2002, 04:20 PM

UT i quote articles i agree with or i think have a logical point. Just becase there is another one by the same person does not invalidate the other one. *sighs*

Gee UT, so far i haven't see you mention how anyone has been talking appeasement, apart from yourself, or how it fints into any existing or proposed strategy or defence strategy by any nation.

Undertoad · 10-15-2002, 04:37 PM

I think I've seen a few folks - like Griff, please excuse the singling out sir - basically hinting towards the blowback theory. And I disagree with it, that's part of my point. I disagree with it so hard that when Fisk is invoked I have to point out that he's the main advocate of it. To me, the guy's a moron, and needs to be ignored.

jaguar · 10-15-2002, 04:48 PM

Doesn't mean he can't occasionally have a point.

Blowback to a a degree i agree with, but it does not by proxy advocate appeasement, there is no link.

hermit22 · 10-15-2002, 05:05 PM

I thought India was #1 in number of Muslims...with Indonesia as #2? 12% of India's 1.03 Billion are Muslim...which is a whole hell of a lot.

And by blowback, is everyone referring to the situation implied by George Tenet?

warch · 10-15-2002, 06:53 PM

Meaningless detail, but the island of Bali is 95% Hindu within the total Indonesian Muslim majority, religious remnants of a deposed ruler, his artists and courtesans.

Griff · 10-15-2002, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
I think I've seen a few folks - like Griff, please excuse the singling out sir - basically hinting towards the blowback theory. And I disagree with it, that's part of my point. I disagree with it so hard that when Fisk is invoked I have to point out that he's the main advocate of it. To me, the guy's a moron, and needs to be ignored.

Dude, I haven't hinted shit. I've said it. When our government fucks people, be they Iranians or El Salvadorans oops neither of those national traumas could have happened after all Carter just got the peace prize there will be unintended consequences. Sometimes we taste the fruit of our governments labors, sometimes the poor bugger on the third world street eats it. As far as being singled out, de nada, we're all just trying to figure out the mess we're in and how or if we can extract ourselves from it.

Hermit, when I talk about Blowback, I'm usually referring to the way Chalmers Johnson laid it out in the book by the same name. The word itself was/is CIA insider speak for unanticipated outcomes of our military/diplomatic/intelligence activities. So Tenet uses it the same way.

10-15-2002, 07:19 PM

India's population: 1,045,845,226
India's muslim percentage: 12%

Indonesia's population: 231,328,092
Indonesia's muslim percentage: 88%

You figure it out.

hermit22 · 10-15-2002, 07:49 PM

Dave, I stand corrected.

10-15-2002, 11:47 PM

(CIA World Fact Book, July 2002 Estimates)

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-18-2002, 05:48 AM

And now, you know that pain -- and we really wish you didn't. We mourn also.

But we don't always get what we wish for, especially not in a war. I don't know if the stimulus of one tanker with a big leak punched in it will do the job for getting the French in, but I really rather hope so. Contrary to some folk's rather unschooled opinion, the French can fight.

10-15-2002, 04:20 PM	#17
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	UT i quote articles i agree with or i think have a logical point. Just becase there is another one by the same person does not invalidate the other one. sighs Gee UT, so far i haven't see you mention how anyone has been talking appeasement, apart from yourself, or how it fints into any existing or proposed strategy or defence strategy by any nation. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

10-15-2002, 04:48 PM	#19
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Doesn't mean he can't occasionally have a point. Blowback to a a degree i agree with, but it does not by proxy advocate appeasement, there is no link. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

10-15-2002, 05:05 PM	#20
hermit22 sleep. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: So Cal. Posts: 257	I thought India was #1 in number of Muslims...with Indonesia as #2? 12% of India's 1.03 Billion are Muslim...which is a whole hell of a lot. And by blowback, is everyone referring to the situation implied by George Tenet? __________________ blippety blah bluh blah blah

10-15-2002, 07:49 PM	#24
hermit22 sleep. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: So Cal. Posts: 257	Dave, I stand corrected. __________________ blippety blah bluh blah blah

10-18-2002, 05:48 AM	#26
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	9-11, 10-12 And now, you know that pain -- and we really wish you didn't. We mourn also. But we don't always get what we wish for, especially not in a war. I don't know if the stimulus of one tanker with a big leak punched in it will do the job for getting the French in, but I really rather hope so. Contrary to some folk's rather unschooled opinion, the French can fight. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-15-2002, 11:46 AM	#16
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Indonesia is actually #1 when it comes to sheer number of muslims.

10-15-2002, 04:37 PM	#18
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I think I've seen a few folks - like Griff, please excuse the singling out sir - basically hinting towards the blowback theory. And I disagree with it, that's part of my point. I disagree with it so hard that when Fisk is invoked I have to point out that he's the main advocate of it. To me, the guy's a moron, and needs to be ignored.

10-15-2002, 06:53 PM	#21
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Meaningless detail, but the island of Bali is 95% Hindu within the total Indonesian Muslim majority, religious remnants of a deposed ruler, his artists and courtesans.

10-15-2002, 07:19 PM	#23
dave Guest Posts: n/a	India's population: 1,045,845,226 India's muslim percentage: 12% Indonesia's population: 231,328,092 Indonesia's muslim percentage: 88% You figure it out.

10-15-2002, 11:47 PM	#25
dave Guest Posts: n/a	(CIA World Fact Book, July 2002 Estimates)

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