Attention all NJ Cellarites! - Page 2

Sheldonrs · 02-09-2012, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV

perhaps, but that doesn't get my motor running. not that there's anything wrong with that.

Perhaps your motor will run better after i pump your tank full of fuel.

BigV · 02-09-2012, 01:04 PM

I know you got a big ol' hose, man, but NJ is ------------->>

and WA is <<-----------------

with about three thousand miles of country between. I like it like that.

Sheldonrs · 02-09-2012, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV

I know you got a big ol' hose, man, but NJ is ------------->>

and WA is <<-----------------

with about three thousand miles of country between. I like it like that.

Don't underestimate me. Muahahahahahaha

Undertoad · 02-09-2012, 01:39 PM

Sounds like taint country.... taint NJ and taint WA

Sheldonrs · 02-09-2012, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Sounds like taint country.... taint NJ and taint WA

I've never cared about where i pitch my taint.

ZenGum · 02-09-2012, 07:07 PM

Stop it. Gay jokes make Ibs uncomfortable. Come on guys.

footfootfoot · 02-09-2012, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Stop it. Gay jokes make Ibs uncomfortable. Come on guys.

How dare you try to define Ibs?

BigV · 02-09-2012, 08:11 PM

Who's joking?

Aliantha · 02-09-2012, 09:27 PM

Sundae · 02-10-2012, 01:48 PM

Serious post is teh serious:

I wish Shel really could meet Ibs (as opposed to meat Ibs).
I think they could have a converstaion that might help Erica on her journey. Shel has the (life) experience that we can't provide - that of growing up with a different orientation. And having problems with role models given that homosexual meant something very different to society when Shel was a teen. And he won through to be a fully rounded man, with friends and lovers and family ties.

Ibs is still in the infancy of his open sexual behaviour.
Many of us were at his age. I was.

BrianR · 02-12-2012, 10:55 AM

Ibs is welcome to talk to me about this as well.

Pam

Sheldonrs · 02-12-2012, 01:26 PM

Everybody has their own life path and nobody can walk it the same way, even in their shoes. Even if Ibs wrote a 1000 page treatise on his life, nobody would understand 1/10 of it completely. It's the same for everyone else. That's why you either have to learn to accept the differences and the facts not known about someone if you are to call them "Friend" or accept the fact that you aren't friends.

zippyt · 02-12-2012, 02:10 PM

Well said Sheldon !

Sundae · 02-12-2012, 02:49 PM

I do know what you mean, Shel. And I would never suggest that all gay men or all trans* people are the same, because I damn well know that not all straight women are the same.

I just think he might benefit from talking to someone older, and to whom he could not simply throw up his arms and say "But you don't understand!"

Didn't mean to leave you out, Pam.
I just see more of Sheldon around here than I do you.

Part of the issue, I think, is that Ibs tends to protest in the high traffic threads, like Dwellar NSFW. Where it's not appropriate. So she gets the cold shoulder and doesn't get why.

Aliantha · 02-12-2012, 05:33 PM

I don't think Ib has really had anyone give him the cold shoulder. Even me, and I was the one that started the last issue I think.

From my own perspective I just wanted to tell ib to try and have a bit of a sense of humour about things, cause life will be pretty tough without it, especially on the path he's chosen for himself (yes I realise that maybe he feels it's just a natural path, but if you have an understanding of Buddhist doctrine, you'd know that they would say Ib chose his path before he was even born in some other plane of existence) I digress.

Anyway, I still stand by what I said in that other thread, and believe me, I hold no ill will towards Ib even if he does consider me to be some kind of Neanderthal when it comes to his issues. Maybe I am, but I think it comes down to perspective. Maybe if I knew him IRL I would handle things differently, although I doubt it. I'd still just try and be myself and treat him the same way I treat anyone else, and that's with mutual levels of respect and tolerance, understanding and compassion.

Let's flip the coin for a second. I suspect Ibram would have an incredibly difficult time understanding how I feel about my life and the challenges I face (especially at the moment), but I don't blame him for that, and I don't expect him to understand completely, but I do expect him to try, and even if he can't get his head around it, then to just be supportive and compassionate if it seemed like that might help in any way, but I definitely wouldn't see any point in preaching to him and trying to force him to see my life from my perspective, because I don't think there's any way on this earth that he ever could because he's not me.

I hope that makes sense.

02-09-2012, 01:04 PM	#2
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	I know you got a big ol' hose, man, but NJ is ------------->> and WA is <<----------------- with about three thousand miles of country between. I like it like that. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-09-2012, 07:07 PM	#6
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Stop it. Gay jokes make Ibs uncomfortable. Come on guys. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

02-09-2012, 08:11 PM	#8
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Who's joking? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-09-2012, 09:27 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	__________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-12-2012, 10:55 AM	#11
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	Ibs is welcome to talk to me about this as well. Pam __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

02-09-2012, 01:39 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Sounds like taint country.... taint NJ and taint WA

02-10-2012, 01:48 PM	#10
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Serious post is teh serious: I wish Shel really could meet Ibs (as opposed to meat Ibs). I think they could have a converstaion that might help Erica on her journey. Shel has the (life) experience that we can't provide - that of growing up with a different orientation. And having problems with role models given that homosexual meant something very different to society when Shel was a teen. And he won through to be a fully rounded man, with friends and lovers and family ties. Ibs is still in the infancy of his open sexual behaviour. Many of us were at his age. I was.

02-12-2012, 01:26 PM	#12
Sheldonrs Master Dwellar Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,412	Everybody has their own life path and nobody can walk it the same way, even in their shoes. Even if Ibs wrote a 1000 page treatise on his life, nobody would understand 1/10 of it completely. It's the same for everyone else. That's why you either have to learn to accept the differences and the facts not known about someone if you are to call them "Friend" or accept the fact that you aren't friends. __________________ Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and the world laughs AT you.

02-12-2012, 02:10 PM	#13
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Well said Sheldon ! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

02-12-2012, 02:49 PM	#14
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I do know what you mean, Shel. And I would never suggest that all gay men or all trans* people are the same, because I damn well know that not all straight women are the same. I just think he might benefit from talking to someone older, and to whom he could not simply throw up his arms and say "But you don't understand!" Didn't mean to leave you out, Pam. I just see more of Sheldon around here than I do you. Part of the issue, I think, is that Ibs tends to protest in the high traffic threads, like Dwellar NSFW. Where it's not appropriate. So she gets the cold shoulder and doesn't get why.

02-12-2012, 05:33 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I don't think Ib has really had anyone give him the cold shoulder. Even me, and I was the one that started the last issue I think. From my own perspective I just wanted to tell ib to try and have a bit of a sense of humour about things, cause life will be pretty tough without it, especially on the path he's chosen for himself (yes I realise that maybe he feels it's just a natural path, but if you have an understanding of Buddhist doctrine, you'd know that they would say Ib chose his path before he was even born in some other plane of existence) I digress. Anyway, I still stand by what I said in that other thread, and believe me, I hold no ill will towards Ib even if he does consider me to be some kind of Neanderthal when it comes to his issues. Maybe I am, but I think it comes down to perspective. Maybe if I knew him IRL I would handle things differently, although I doubt it. I'd still just try and be myself and treat him the same way I treat anyone else, and that's with mutual levels of respect and tolerance, understanding and compassion. Let's flip the coin for a second. I suspect Ibram would have an incredibly difficult time understanding how I feel about my life and the challenges I face (especially at the moment), but I don't blame him for that, and I don't expect him to understand completely, but I do expect him to try, and even if he can't get his head around it, then to just be supportive and compassionate if it seemed like that might help in any way, but I definitely wouldn't see any point in preaching to him and trying to force him to see my life from my perspective, because I don't think there's any way on this earth that he ever could because he's not me. I hope that makes sense. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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