January 23, 2013 Lost City of Cahokia - Page 2

Gravdigr · 01-23-2013, 12:07 PM

And we read about it in the fucking Mail?

CaliforniaMama · 01-23-2013, 01:30 PM

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The site is still thought to be sacred and Native Americans believe it is a source of powerful psychic energy.

This is what was said about Shellmound, too. What are we supposed to do with that?

Trilby · 01-23-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaMama

This is what was said about Shellmound, too. What are we supposed to do with that?

hope it's haunted?

Trilby · 01-23-2013, 01:33 PM

We're losing all our civil war battlefields, etc. Nothing is sacred here except the almighty dollar.

ZenGum · 01-23-2013, 05:11 PM

Archeological finds are not such a problem here, although burial sites have to be respected.

The fun thing here is that all the really juicy mineral deposits are usually directly under the really important sacred sites. Like, sacred to people living today. This can cause tension.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-23-2013, 05:22 PM

Easy, just kill the people it's sacred to... or allow them to build casinos.

Spexxvet · 01-23-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SPUCK

sigh - kiss the bridge goodbye.

They can move the location of the bridge, they can't move the location of the city.

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Originally Posted by DanaC

more higgledypiggledy

New user title.

Diaphone Jim · 01-23-2013, 07:02 PM

There are many more astonishing Native American things to find. And further in the past than we expect.

With any luck we will find the bridge they used across the Mississippi and we won't have to build a new one.

footfootfoot · 01-23-2013, 09:55 PM

I went back to Cahokia
But my city was gone
There was no train station
There was no downtown
South Howard had disappeared
All my favorite places
My city had been pulled down
Reduced to parking spaces
A, o, way to go Cahokia

Well I went back to Cahokia
But my family was gone
I stood on the back porch
There was nobody home
I was stunned and amazed
My childhood memories
Slowly swirled past
Like the wind through the trees
A, o, oh way to go Cahokia

I went back to Cahokia
But my pretty countryside
Had been paved down the middle
By a government that had no pride
The farms of Cahokia
Had been replaced by shopping malls
And Muzak filled the air
From Seneca to Cuyahoga falls
Said, a, o, oh way to go Cahokia

ZenGum · 01-24-2013, 06:07 PM

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The number of natives in the western hemisphere circa 1492 seems to be about 40 million. Working back the 25,000 years or so there seems to have been natives, it's easy to come up with maybe 100 million have lived (and left trash behind) in the Americas.

These numbers seemed high to me, so I had to go and look stuff up.
The 25,000 years I'll go along with, although it's not really certain. There's quite a puzzle about the early migration to the Americas.

But 40,000,000 in 1492? That a HECK of a lot. And it would project backwards over just a few generations to well over the 100 million all time tally you wrote. Did you mean 4 million?

Griff · 01-24-2013, 06:40 PM

Wiki has a good article with estimates and discussion of the difficulty of fixing a solid number.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populat...f_the_Americas

There are a lot of known sites and the mound builders did a lot of work...

xoxoxoBruce · 01-25-2013, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

These numbers seemed high to me, so I had to go and look stuff up.
The 25,000 years I'll go along with, although it's not really certain. There's quite a puzzle about the early migration to the Americas.

But 40,000,000 in 1492? That a HECK of a lot. And it would project backwards over just a few generations to well over the 100 million all time tally you wrote. Did you mean 4 million?

No, 40 million, from here.
You can see by the chart there have been a number of scholars weigh in on this and it seems to have come back to 40 million in the latest thinking. Remember this isn't the US, this is the Americas, two continents.

Assuming the 25,000 years holds up, and looking at the recent excavations in central and south america, show the Inca 9-16 million, Maya 2 million, Aztec 25 million, populations that had several boom/bust cycles. Those are just the major groups. There's a whole lot of generations in 25K years, and would add up to a shitload of people, methinks over 100 million.

You can't sacrifice 84,000 people in four days, to dedicate the temple, unless you have a surplus.

SPUCK · 01-26-2013, 06:26 AM

Yeah I was just gong to say, there'd have been a bucket load more of them if they hadn't sacrificed so many.

Didn't realize it was THAT many.
What a bunch of dorks.

01-23-2013, 12:07 PM	#1
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01-23-2013, 01:33 PM	#4
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	We're losing all our civil war battlefields, etc. Nothing is sacred here except the almighty dollar. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-23-2013, 05:11 PM	#5
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Archeological finds are not such a problem here, although burial sites have to be respected. The fun thing here is that all the really juicy mineral deposits are usually directly under the really important sacred sites. Like, sacred to people living today. This can cause tension. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

01-23-2013, 05:22 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Easy, just kill the people it's sacred to... or allow them to build casinos. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-23-2013, 09:55 PM	#9
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I went back to Cahokia But my city was gone There was no train station There was no downtown South Howard had disappeared All my favorite places My city had been pulled down Reduced to parking spaces A, o, way to go Cahokia Well I went back to Cahokia But my family was gone I stood on the back porch There was nobody home I was stunned and amazed My childhood memories Slowly swirled past Like the wind through the trees A, o, oh way to go Cahokia I went back to Cahokia But my pretty countryside Had been paved down the middle By a government that had no pride The farms of Cahokia Had been replaced by shopping malls And Muzak filled the air From Seneca to Cuyahoga falls Said, a, o, oh way to go Cahokia __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

01-23-2013, 07:02 PM	#8
Diaphone Jim Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,122	There are many more astonishing Native American things to find. And further in the past than we expect. With any luck we will find the bridge they used across the Mississippi and we won't have to build a new one.

01-24-2013, 06:40 PM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Wiki has a good article with estimates and discussion of the difficulty of fixing a solid number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populat...f_the_Americas There are a lot of known sites and the mound builders did a lot of work... Attached Images __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-26-2013, 06:26 AM	#13
SPUCK Professor Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,911	Yeah I was just gong to say, there'd have been a bucket load more of them if they hadn't sacrificed so many. Didn't realize it was THAT many. What a bunch of dorks.

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