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jaguar · 04-10-2003, 07:15 AM

So in short, the US attacks not those that are the biggest threat, but those it can bully without a serious risk to troops, correct?

04-10-2003, 07:27 AM

Apparently you've never heard the phrase "choose your battles"?

It's not about a serious risk to troops. It's about a multitude of things <b>that I covered months ago in response to your question</b>. If you're going to summarize, try and do a better job of it, okay?

Let me ask you a question. You've got two tests in two classes. One, you currently are prepared enough to get a 70% on. The other, a 25%. You need a 100% on each test to pass the class.

What one are you going to study for?

bartman · 04-10-2003, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dave
Apparently you've never heard the phrase "choose your battles"?

Let me ask you a question. You've got two tests in two classes. One, you currently are prepared enough to get a 70% on. The other, a 25%. You need a 100% on each test to pass the class.

What one are you going to study for?

Neither. If I wasn't prepared before, I probably won't be able to cram enough to pass either one of them.

Undertoad · 04-10-2003, 10:19 AM

jag said they've cornered the guy and *still* no sign of a single chemical or biological weapon.

You aren't paying attention, are you?

Elspode · 04-10-2003, 11:07 AM

Lies...all lies, perpetrated against the world by a complicit media.

Besides, we gave them chemical weapons they don't have.

jaguar · 04-10-2003, 06:20 PM

Interesting (apart from the barrels of pestecide, that one is getting a tad old). I wasn't aware of most of those, i haven't been following the war that closely. My point was more that they haven't been used but it's a moot point, you can argue it was merely the result of a breakdown of Command & Control, not restraint.

juju · 04-10-2003, 06:46 PM

If the point was so moot, then why did you make it?

jaguar · 04-10-2003, 07:35 PM

The point is moot for the purpose of this discussion because i know that's the response i'd get, on the other hand i don't think as an arguement it's without merit, it's degree of accuracy or inaccuracy is merely speculation at this point though.

richlevy · 04-10-2003, 08:23 PM

Noone is denying the fact that Saddam Hussein is/was a vicious rat bastard of a dictator. However, the US has supported a number of vicious rat bastard dictators in the past, including Hussein. This is not including the numerous others we have not actively toppled, such as Milosevic, but waited for them to fall at the hands of their own countrymen.

Right now every other dictator on our list is probably arming up with WMD's, vowing not to be suckered into giving up that edge like Saddam did.

juju · 04-10-2003, 08:50 PM

In the case of Milosevic, the U.S. funded, encouraged, and helped train Otpor, the revolutionary organization that toppled him.

Urbane Guerrilla · 04-12-2003, 05:27 AM

And jaguar, you should really keep in mind that enabling dictators and dictatorships, by doing anything to keep them in continued existence, doesn't climb very high on the sanity scale either. One can never call the demolition of a totalitarian regime wrongful -- no matter where, no matter when, although sooner is better as a rule. Syria minus a terrorist-supporting regime is going to be a better deal for absolutely everyone, including Syrians. "There is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood..."

The Bush Administration understands more deeply than many that one root cause of Arab terrorism is autocratic Arab regimes -- in short, just about all of them.

richlevy · 04-12-2003, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...n_030408163048

You know, we really need to use this in some sort of slogan that defines what we are fighting for and on whose behalf something like - "We now know Iraq is an evil regime - they have more kids in prison than in Texas".

xoxoxoBruce · 04-12-2003, 01:52 PM

Of course they have WOMD and we can prove it. The CIA still has the receipts.

aside- Damn, UT. I'm never going to argue with you. You seem to have infinate resourses/info at your finger tips for any subject.

Undertoad · 04-12-2003, 02:10 PM

That's OK Bruce, you won't have to - I'm taking a break from Current Events and this will be my last post here for a while.

jaguar · 04-12-2003, 07:53 PM

Quote:

And jaguar, you should really keep in mind that enabling dictators and dictatorships, by doing anything to keep them in continued existence, doesn't climb very high on the sanity scale either. One can never call the demolition of a totalitarian regime wrongful -- no matter where, no matter when, although sooner is better as a rule. Syria minus a terrorist-supporting regime is going to be a better deal for absolutely everyone, including Syrians. "There is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood..."

You know irrispective of how much they hate thier own governments people often get extremely pissed off when someone else decides they know what's best for them, if you think stomping all over the middle east installing US backed regimes and handing out reconstruction projects is going to cause anything but an upsurge in Islamic terrorism you're insane.

04-10-2003, 07:15 AM	#16
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	So in short, the US attacks not those that are the biggest threat, but those it can bully without a serious risk to troops, correct? __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-10-2003, 11:07 AM	#20
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Lies...all lies, perpetrated against the world by a complicit media. Besides, we gave them chemical weapons they don't have. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

04-10-2003, 06:20 PM	#21
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Interesting (apart from the barrels of pestecide, that one is getting a tad old). I wasn't aware of most of those, i haven't been following the war that closely. My point was more that they haven't been used but it's a moot point, you can argue it was merely the result of a breakdown of Command & Control, not restraint. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-10-2003, 07:35 PM	#23
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	The point is moot for the purpose of this discussion because i know that's the response i'd get, on the other hand i don't think as an arguement it's without merit, it's degree of accuracy or inaccuracy is merely speculation at this point though. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-10-2003, 08:23 PM	#24
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Heroes and Villains Noone is denying the fact that Saddam Hussein is/was a vicious rat bastard of a dictator. However, the US has supported a number of vicious rat bastard dictators in the past, including Hussein. This is not including the numerous others we have not actively toppled, such as Milosevic, but waited for them to fall at the hands of their own countrymen. Right now every other dictator on our list is probably arming up with WMD's, vowing not to be suckered into giving up that edge like Saddam did. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

04-10-2003, 07:27 AM	#17
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Apparently you've never heard the phrase "choose your battles"? It's not about a serious risk to troops. It's about a multitude of things <b>that I covered months ago in response to your question</b>. If you're going to summarize, try and do a better job of it, okay? Let me ask you a question. You've got two tests in two classes. One, you currently are prepared enough to get a 70% on. The other, a 25%. You need a 100% on each test to pass the class. What one are you going to study for?

04-10-2003, 10:19 AM	#19
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	jag said they've cornered the guy and still* no sign of a single chemical or biological weapon.* You aren't paying attention, are you?

04-10-2003, 06:46 PM	#22
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	If the point was so moot, then why did you make it?

04-10-2003, 08:50 PM	#25
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	In the case of Milosevic, the U.S. funded, encouraged, and helped train Otpor, the revolutionary organization that toppled him. Last edited by juju; 04-10-2003 at 08:56 PM.

04-12-2003, 05:27 AM	#26
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	A tide in the affairs of men And jaguar, you should really keep in mind that enabling dictators and dictatorships, by doing anything to keep them in continued existence, doesn't climb very high on the sanity scale either. One can never call the demolition of a totalitarian regime wrongful -- no matter where, no matter when, although sooner is better as a rule. Syria minus a terrorist-supporting regime is going to be a better deal for absolutely everyone, including Syrians. "There is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood..." The Bush Administration understands more deeply than many that one root cause of Arab terrorism is autocratic Arab regimes -- in short, just about all of them. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

04-12-2003, 01:52 PM	#28
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Of course they have WOMD and we can prove it. The CIA still has the receipts. aside- Damn, UT. I'm never going to argue with you. You seem to have infinate resourses/info at your finger tips for any subject. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-12-2003, 02:10 PM	#29
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's OK Bruce, you won't have to - I'm taking a break from Current Events and this will be my last post here for a while.

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