A few thoughts on the P2P jihad - Page 2

elSicomoro · 07-22-2003, 10:32 PM

Look! Up in the sky!

It's a bird!

It's a plane!

No! It's the ACLU!

Tobiasly · 07-23-2003, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by SteveDallas

Surely somebody's going to start tunneling it through SSH. Then it would get interesting.

How would this help? They would still have your ip address. SSH only prevents people in the middle from snooping or altering the packets, neither of which the RIAA is doing.

vsp · 07-23-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by sycamore
It's the ACLU!

And their even-more-relevant-in-this-case cousin, the <a href="http://www.eff.org/">Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)</a>. (Not that I'd knock ACLU support, of course, but the EFF has been on this and similar issues like white on rice for years.)

SteveDallas · 07-23-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Tobiasly

How would this help? They would still have your ip address. SSH only prevents people in the middle from snooping or altering the packets, neither of which the RIAA is doing.

Hmm it does quite a bit by obscuring the content of what's being shared.... unless an RIAA shill actually signs onto the network to participate. Never mind.

Of course if there were some kind of IP-laundering service.. and it were located in an off-shore data haven.... hmmmm.... maybe this is the sequel to Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon"!

Silent · 07-23-2003, 03:31 PM

If all they have to go by is IP address, what do they do in, say, my case? I'm on ADSL and the IP the outside world sees is rotated pretty regularly. Would my ISP even be tracking what it is? I would think that sort of thing is heavily automated. Would they bother to log all that information? If they scan for more information I'm heavily firewalled so any scan would turn up zip.
I don't use any of the knutella clones some I'm pretty safe for now (I think ) but in the future....

Undertoad · 07-23-2003, 04:27 PM

Sure your ISP can track back to you -- and sure they have an easy mechanism to do it, because so many people abuse their Internet provider in every way imaginable.

Silent · 07-23-2003, 04:48 PM

I'm positive they could right now. But 30 days from now, if they get a court order to reveal who 142.177.13.143 was on such and such a date, could they do it? My ip at times has changed hourly.

hot_pastrami · 07-23-2003, 04:52 PM

The ISP's servers automatically log all that stuff.... that's the way that they find spammers, too. I'll betcha they could determine what user had what IP to the very minute. They'd have to wade through log files, but that's not too difficult.

Silent · 07-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Bugger.

So much for that slim hope.

How long before before they start on the DC++ hubs? Most of them are hosted in Europe. I might still have time.....

xoxoxoBruce · 07-23-2003, 05:24 PM

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I'll betcha they could determine what user had what IP to the very minute. They'd have to wade through log files, but that's not too difficult.

Dave's company could do that in their sleep.....and more.

SteveDallas · 07-23-2003, 05:32 PM

An interesting exception may be public WiFi hot-spots. If they don't require a login there's no way you can trace it back. (On a wired network you can usually figure out pretty easily which switch port a particular MAC address is coming from.)

Undertoad · 07-24-2003, 10:16 AM

This list of file-sharing users targetted by current action is linked by /. today. As you can see Sycamore has made the list:

TMONEYNDHIZOUSE@kazaa

Shame, Syc!

Uryoces · 07-24-2003, 02:08 PM

This is a real dilemma. The RIAA is technically not wrong; person A has shared a copyrighted song. IANAL, but I believe fair use states I share this with my immediate friends. I don't klnow if fair use takes into account my closest 1.5 million friends, though.

OTOH, the RIAA is just about the most unethical corporation there is. They regularly rip off the people they have signed with them and they have filed frivolous lawsuits -- remember the 97 billion dollar suit against the college student sharing within his campus? They badger, threaten, and bar their customers from exercising their legal rights. Their behavior should qualify them for RICO status.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-24-2003, 03:36 PM

Hey Syc, if you need a character witness, I'll testify. I'll swear and affirm, you're a character.

elSicomoro · 07-24-2003, 06:24 PM

That name is funny, as that is some shit I would say...but it's not me.

Though after he gets hit with a lawsuit from the RIAA, I'm going to break out my Sam's Club-sized can of whoopass on him for lifting my name. Fucker!

07-23-2003, 03:31 PM	#20
Silent Romanes Eunt Domus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 702	How do they ID? If all they have to go by is IP address, what do they do in, say, my case? I'm on ADSL and the IP the outside world sees is rotated pretty regularly. Would my ISP even be tracking what it is? I would think that sort of thing is heavily automated. Would they bother to log all that information? If they scan for more information I'm heavily firewalled so any scan would turn up zip. I don't use any of the knutella clones some I'm pretty safe for now (I think ) but in the future....

07-23-2003, 04:52 PM	#23
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	The ISP's servers automatically log all that stuff.... that's the way that they find spammers, too. I'll betcha they could determine what user had what IP to the very minute. They'd have to wade through log files, but that's not too difficult. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

07-24-2003, 02:08 PM	#28
Uryoces 2nd Covenant, yo Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pugetropolis Posts: 583	This is a real dilemma. The RIAA is technically not wrong; person A has shared a copyrighted song. IANAL, but I believe fair use states I share this with my immediate friends. I don't klnow if fair use takes into account my closest 1.5 million friends, though. OTOH, the RIAA is just about the most unethical corporation there is. They regularly rip off the people they have signed with them and they have filed frivolous lawsuits -- remember the 97 billion dollar suit against the college student sharing within his campus? They badger, threaten, and bar their customers from exercising their legal rights. Their behavior should qualify them for RICO status. __________________ The party's over ... the drink ... and the luck ... ran out.

07-24-2003, 03:36 PM	#29
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Hey Syc, if you need a character witness, I'll testify. I'll swear and affirm, you're a character. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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07-22-2003, 10:32 PM	#16
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No! It's the ACLU!

07-23-2003, 04:27 PM	#21
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Sure your ISP can track back to you -- and sure they have an easy mechanism to do it, because so many people abuse their Internet provider in every way imaginable.

07-23-2003, 04:48 PM	#22
Silent Romanes Eunt Domus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 702	I'm positive they could right now. But 30 days from now, if they get a court order to reveal who 142.177.13.143 was on such and such a date, could they do it? My ip at times has changed hourly.

07-23-2003, 05:00 PM	#24
Silent Romanes Eunt Domus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 702	Bugger. So much for that slim hope. How long before before they start on the DC++ hubs? Most of them are hosted in Europe. I might still have time.....

07-23-2003, 05:32 PM	#26
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	An interesting exception may be public WiFi hot-spots. If they don't require a login there's no way you can trace it back. (On a wired network you can usually figure out pretty easily which switch port a particular MAC address is coming from.)

07-24-2003, 10:16 AM	#27
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	This list of file-sharing users targetted by current action is linked by /. today. As you can see Sycamore has made the list: TMONEYNDHIZOUSE@kazaa Shame, Syc!

07-24-2003, 06:24 PM	#30
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	That name is funny, as that is some shit I would say...but it's not me. Though after he gets hit with a lawsuit from the RIAA, I'm going to break out my Sam's Club-sized can of whoopass on him for lifting my name. Fucker!

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