Questions about Moore's facts.

[Happy Monkey]

On the list of 48000 people, there were 22000 black people, who traditionally vote Democratic, and 61 hispanics, who in Florida traditionally vote Republican.

[lookout123]

well, you showed me - 22000 people who would have voted democrat. if they went to the polls, and they supported gore, and they were smart enough to push a chad through.

how many of these people actually would have gotten off their butts to vote? there is no way of knowing, so it doesn't matter.

[Happy Monkey]

First note: All 22000 were not eligable to vote. The problem was that there were far more blacks on the list than were felons, and far fewer hispanics.

Second, even if you got signed affidavits from everyone on the list, and all felons not on the list, that they had no intention of voting, it would still matter, because the choice was being made for them.

[Undertoad]

This kind of stuff happens on both sides in every election.

[lookout123]

UT's right. i'm from illinois, you know that state that surrounds chicago??? chicago - the city where faithful democrats never miss and opportunity to vote, even after they are dead... sometimes twice...

stuff happens in both directions

[jaguar]

Jeb said he'd deliver florida and boy did he.

[Clodfobble]

Perhaps if you guys had had someone without a conflict of interests overseeing the matter the result might have had a gram or two of credibility.

No such thing. Unless you're suggesting we invite the UN in to moderate our elections? Yes wouldn't THAT be fabulous.

[DanaC]

Having someone who had actively campaigned for candidate in Florida oversee a recount in a disputed result was more than the usual level of partisan conflict of interests

Oh and what the hell was going on here?

"""What Happened to African American Voters?
Even before Election Day was over last year, stories began to circulate about how the rights of black voters were being taken away. Florida, of course, got the most attention, and there were certainly many things that were questionable about the treatment of black voters there. Thousands of punch-card ballots, which were used largely in poor in minority districts, were thrown out. When the names of criminals were removed from voting lists statewide, many legitimate black voters' names were taken off as well, and these voters were turned away when they showed up at the polls. A very controversial police blockade was placed just two miles from a polling place in a heavily African American district. And there were many reports of intimidation and harassment of black voters at the polls themselves. As Florida Congresswoman Carrie Meek said, "The system is not working for us…again." """

From the Brainevent site
Disrimination at the Polls

[DanaC]

Y'know what though? It is about to stop mattering. Bush looks likely to win the next one fair and square .....The democrats are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory ....thats my prediction, but then I am in a glum mood

[ladysycamore]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Having someone who had actively campaigned for candidate in Florida oversee a recount in a disputed result was more than the usual level of partisan conflict of interests

Oh and what the hell was going on here?

"""What Happened to African American Voters?
Even before Election Day was over last year, stories began to circulate about how the rights of black voters were being taken away. Florida, of course, got the most attention, and there were certainly many things that were questionable about the treatment of black voters there. Thousands of punch-card ballots, which were used largely in poor in minority districts, were thrown out. When the names of criminals were removed from voting lists statewide, many legitimate black voters' names were taken off as well, and these voters were turned away when they showed up at the polls. A very controversial police blockade was placed just two miles from a polling place in a heavily African American district. And there were many reports of intimidation and harassment of black voters at the polls themselves. As Florida Congresswoman Carrie Meek said, "The system is not working for us…again." """

From the Brainevent site
Disrimination at the Polls

I wasn't surprised by this news in the LEAST. I remember when I heard of this right after the election and all I could do is shake my head. Ah well.. thanks for the site DanaC.

[Happy Monkey]

Thread of hope:

Kerry 332 Bush 195

[DanaC]

Heheh call me cynical but i have never recovered from the last Tory election win in 1992. The polls showed a labour win right til the night then the exit polls said a hung parliament with labour the dominant party.....By 11 o clock that night it becamse clear we had four more years of conservative rule. People had lied in the exit polls *chuckled* nobody wanted to admit they had voted Tory so they just voted tory and then lied on the way out teh door when they were polled.

Funnily enough some reporters came to my home town a few weeks after the election to try and find people who would admit to voting tory . They went around asking people a few general questions and included in there a query as to which way they had voted and I think if memory serves they found less than 10 in a poll of several hundred......bolton, an industrial smoggy town with a radical past and a history of Labour voted tory in droves but wouldnt bloody admit it *chuckles* Imagine that, bunches of people voting for a party then being too ashamed to admit it.They voted on their pockets ( wrongly as it happened they backed the wrong horse if they wanted to be more affluent heheh)

On a side note I remember doing some canvasing for that election. You can imagine my pride in my felow countrymen and our grand parliamentary tradition when more than one person said to me ( in the usual way of Bolton parlance) "Fuck off I am not voting for that red headed welsh twat".....This was from a section of the public which had no love for the tories. They said theyd rather not vote than vote for a red headed welshman

[Happy Monkey]

I don't think Bush backers are ashamed to admit it over here, so if these polls turn around then I expect it wil be due to some sort of October Surprise.

[DanaC]

*grins* for second then I had the delightful mental image of America suddenly going into Russian style Oktober Revolution

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I don't think Bush backers are ashamed to admit it over here, so if these polls turn around then I expect it wil be due to some sort of October Surprise.

Where did that map come from, HM. I'd like to see the key.