If you're going to commit suicide... - Page 2

Troubleshooter · 01-31-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

So the State is going to kill him because he screwed up when he tried to kill himself. Nice logic.

I'm sort of mixed on this one. Personally, all he had to do was ask and I would have helped, but the state is going to spend a fortune helping him do something, which as Wolf said, he isn't going to want done, although if you read some of the news lately, the guys who want to be punished are now considered insane.

Schrodinger's Cat · 02-22-2005, 03:40 PM

I, too, have a friend who is a head engineer for Amtrack with 30 years experience as a railroad engineer. He tells me that he still has nightmares about the people he has killed. He said one man just suddenly stepped out on the tracks in front of the Amtrack train my friend was driving as it came around a curve.

The man just stood there and stared at the on-coming train. Not a damn thing my friend could do. Trains don't exactly stop on a dime and even if my friend had attempted to stop the train, it would have most certainly been derailed, causing the deaths of God knows how many passengers. My friend watched as the train hit the man, severing his body into fragments and a spray of blood. When they arrived at the next stop, the reaction finally set in, and my friend got out of the engine car and started throwing up and crying at the same time. My friend couldn't drive a train for 3 months after that incident.

People who choose this method of suicide are unbelievably stupid and selfish. Why not just drive your car off a cliff?

I want to die soon · 02-22-2005, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Iggy

It makes you wonder what is going through these people's heads... The guy who killed the 11 people just got out of his car and watched the crash take place and did nothing.

Hmmm. Well, one way or another he will get what he had came for, at least if they push for the death penalty.

I do not think it would a good idea to kill someone who wanted to die in the first place, because is like giving him what he wanted. Besides what do you learn of your actions after you are dead.

wolf · 01-31-2005, 10:59 AM

Suicidal thoughts tend to be transitory, so by the time that the state is ready to kill him, he won't want them to.

One would think the dude has a built-in insanity defense, though.

Here's a thought ... what if we don't know it yet and someone he wanted dead was on the train and this was all part of a elaborate plot ...

I feel a Law and Order episode coming on ...

dar512 · 01-31-2005, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

I feel a Law and Order episode coming on ...

Probably. I remember from my teens (when I watched way too much TV) an episode of something or other that was obviously based on the Kent State incident with the names filed off.

I want to die soon · 02-22-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Suicidal thoughts tend to be transitory, so by the time that the state is ready to kill him, he won't want them to.

One would think the dude has a built-in insanity defense, though.

Here's a thought ... what if we don't know it yet and someone he wanted dead was on the train and this was all part of a elaborate plot ...

I feel a Law and Order episode coming on ...

Suicidal thoughts are not necessarily transitory; it can be a sickness also, in this case the person is always, always, always, suffering from depression: it comes in two states in one state the person is highly euphoric in the other state is depressed. And the worst of this sickness is that the person may not necessarily know he or she suffer from it, he or she may not even know is depressed.

I agree with all of you in one thing he should not attempt to commit suicide that way, he could have done something else that would not risk the life of others, maybe he did not realized at the moment the consequences of his acts who knows.

404Error · 02-22-2005, 09:49 AM

It's all irrelevant now anyway, according to recent updates on this tragedy.

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GLENDALE – The man charged with killing 11 people on a commuter train by allegedly parking a truck in its path wasn't trying to commit suicide but wanted to create a "horrific tragedy," according to police....

Alvarez wanted to gain the attention of his wife, Carmelita Alvarez, said Sgt. Tom Lorenz, a police spokesman. The couple had separated and Alvarez's wife had obtained a restraining order against him.

Schrodinger's Cat · 02-22-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by I want to die soon

Suicidal thoughts are not necessarily transitory; it can be a sickness also, in this case the person is always, always, always, suffering from depression: it comes in two states in one state the person is highly euphoric in the other state is depressed. And the worst of this sickness is that the person may not necessarily know he or she suffer from it, he or she may not even know is depressed.

I agree with all of you in one thing he should not attempt to commit suicide that way, he could have done something else that would not risk the life of others, maybe he did not realized at the moment the consequences of his acts who knows.

That sounds like a case of bi-polar disorder to me. There ARE certain useful meds for that available these days, and research continues on others.

Death is inevitable for us all. Life is not. Life almost always has some possibilities, no matter how small. Death holds only the certainty of the grave . The way I see it, one can always kill one's self tomorrow.

Telefunken · 01-31-2005, 12:04 PM

I think the whole affair is tragic, ironic, and darkly humorous all at the same time.

wolf · 02-22-2005, 10:17 AM

So much for the insanity defense.

Oh, and to clarify something that I want to die soon said ...

It's not just depressed people who become suicidal, they are just best known for/identified with it. A person with any psychiatric diagnosis may be suicidal.

jaguar · 02-22-2005, 11:06 AM

nothing rekindles romance like derailing a train and killing innocent strangers.

lookout123 · 02-22-2005, 11:38 AM

you got it jag. i was running late on valentine's day so i only got my wife flowers and earrings... if only i'd had time to cause a tragedy, then she'd no i REALLY care.

archergirl · 02-22-2005, 02:16 PM

Theres nothing more romantic than long hours staring deeply into one another's eyes through bullet proof glass and having prison guards hear every word you utter to each other!! ahhhh.... love is bliss!

Trilby · 02-22-2005, 02:25 PM

And now I am certain that I prefer animals to humans.

lookout123 · 02-22-2005, 02:42 PM

brianna, you obviously need more coffee - before you just said you like them hung like a...

02-22-2005, 03:40 PM	#2
Schrodinger's Cat Macavity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Black Box Posts: 157	I, too, have a friend who is a head engineer for Amtrack with 30 years experience as a railroad engineer. He tells me that he still has nightmares about the people he has killed. He said one man just suddenly stepped out on the tracks in front of the Amtrack train my friend was driving as it came around a curve. The man just stood there and stared at the on-coming train. Not a damn thing my friend could do. Trains don't exactly stop on a dime and even if my friend had attempted to stop the train, it would have most certainly been derailed, causing the deaths of God knows how many passengers. My friend watched as the train hit the man, severing his body into fragments and a spray of blood. When they arrived at the next stop, the reaction finally set in, and my friend got out of the engine car and started throwing up and crying at the same time. My friend couldn't drive a train for 3 months after that incident. People who choose this method of suicide are unbelievably stupid and selfish. Why not just drive your car off a cliff? __________________ Macavity, Macavity, there's no on like Macavity, He's broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity. - T.S. Eliot, Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats

01-31-2005, 10:59 AM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Suicidal thoughts tend to be transitory, so by the time that the state is ready to kill him, he won't want them to. One would think the dude has a built-in insanity defense, though. Here's a thought ... what if we don't know it yet and someone he wanted dead was on the train and this was all part of a elaborate plot ... I feel a Law and Order episode coming on ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-22-2005, 10:17 AM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	So much for the insanity defense. Oh, and to clarify something that I want to die soon said ... It's not just depressed people who become suicidal, they are just best known for/identified with it. A person with any psychiatric diagnosis may be suicidal. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-22-2005, 11:06 AM	#11
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	nothing rekindles romance like derailing a train and killing innocent strangers. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

02-22-2005, 11:38 AM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	you got it jag. i was running late on valentine's day so i only got my wife flowers and earrings... if only i'd had time to cause a tragedy, then she'd no i REALLY care. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-31-2005, 12:04 PM	#9
Telefunken Going for the DX Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 82	I think the whole affair is tragic, ironic, and darkly humorous all at the same time.

02-22-2005, 02:16 PM	#13
archergirl Fresh Incumbent Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 28	Theres nothing more romantic than long hours staring deeply into one another's eyes through bullet proof glass and having prison guards hear every word you utter to each other!! ahhhh.... love is bliss! __________________ Women are different!

02-22-2005, 02:25 PM	#14
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	And now I am certain that I prefer animals to humans. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

02-22-2005, 02:42 PM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	brianna, you obviously need more coffee - before you just said you like them hung like a... __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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