KFC

[jaguar]

Peta are off the deep end, no denying that, I seem to remember something about their leader wanting to breed carnivoris instincts out of big cats and other animals. However KFC do some very, very fucked up things to chickens, I wouldn't touch that shit unless I was starving to death.

The growth of checked and certified-organic(check for the real groups that are serious, not industry whitewash bullshit) food here is very encouraging, it's a premium I'm willing to pay and hell, it genuinely tastes better a lot of the time.

[Beestie]

Anyone who eats that crap (KFC or any other fast food restaurant) deserves what they get. When the goal is to provide food at the lowest possible price whaddya expect? And PETA can do us all a favor and commit mass suicide.

[Catwoman]

For fucks sake, I'm going to work in this god forsaken job a few more years, buy a field and grow my own. There's enough land for everyone to do this, but no ones got the brains for a simple life.

[jaguar]

What is this chic-fil-a you talk of any who brutally attacked it with hyphens?

[lumberjim]

you wouldn't like it. it's owned by southern baptists.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/

[jaguar]

they invented the chicken sandwich eh? jesus fuck that's as bad as starbucks thinking they know how to make coffee.
Krispy Kreme has made it to london, at least that has some merit.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Krispy Kreme has made it to london, at least that has some merit.

Krispy Kreme are the worst 's ever. I can't believe you like them. YUCK.

(It's fun to use the and smilies

[mrnoodle]

Krispy Kreme = yum
KFC = yum, particularly the coleslaw. mash taters, not so much
Chik fil whatever = yum
mcnuggets = yum
starbucks = gack, except the frappucinos, which = yum

If you want to know what it's like to live off the land successfully, find a copy of "Alone in the Wilderness," a documentary filmed in Alaska in the 60s or 70s. It's been on PBS recently, but I don't know who the guy is. I'll google it later.

Anyway, he spends every waking moment either getting food, building shelter, or making improvements to his food and shelter. Lived like that for years before he finally got too old and had to go to a nursing home, where he died pretty quickly. You want tough? That old man was tough as nails, and as gentle as could be. I need to watch that again.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

If you want to know what it's like to live off the land successfully, find a copy of "Alone in the Wilderness," a documentary filmed in Alaska in the 60s or 70s. It's been on PBS recently, but I don't know who the guy is. I'll google it later.

Anyway, he spends every waking moment either getting food, building shelter, or making improvements to his food and shelter. Lived like that for years before he finally got too old and had to go to a nursing home, where he died pretty quickly. You want tough? That old man was tough as nails, and as gentle as could be. I need to watch that again.

I saw that when it was on our local PBS station recently. It was laughable. First, the film was sped up so it was faster than real life. It was most obvious when he was sawing or hammering that it was being shown at about 1.5 speed or so. Laws of physics determine how fast you can swing a hammer. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are, two people with the same length arm will swing a hammer of identical weight at the same speed. That's how pendulums on clocks are able to be used to tell time. He was clearly swinging his hammer faster than any human I've ever seen. The saw too. Also, for any given task, he would show 1 step (usually the most visually insteresting one) and skip the other ten steps he had to follow to get to that point and to go past that point.

Yes. He built a log cabin in the wilderness. Yes. That's hard work and it's not something seen on TV every day, so it's neat to watch. But that "documentary" was so biased as to the amount of work you can get done in a set period of time that I would almost classify it as fiction. Shows like "This Old House" make it look like you can do significant amounts of work in a weekend afternoon. It's part of the way material is presented on TV to keep it interesting, but at least those home improvement shows don't speed up the reels.

[kerosene]

Actually, I believe the movie was inspired by the book. There is another good book out there about simpler living called "Back to Basics". It was distributed by Readers Digest back in the early 80s. I have been using this book for ideas, since we moved out to Kansas to a remota area.

I don't think you have to do everything this way in order to live a "simpler" life, though (at least as far as food goes). If you want to break away from eating crap, raise your own chickens. They aren't too hard to take care of. Grow a little garden of the veggies you like. Start it as a project that over time, becomes more robust, so that way you are making progress and you can at least feel good about that.

There are a large number of pheasant farms out here, where the local farmers raise pheasants for hunting. Do you know what that means? We get many occasional stray pheasants hanging around our yard. I have never tried pheasant, but in operations like what exist around here, one can be sure unhealthy pheasants = unhappy pheasant hunters. I hear the meat is pretty good, though, so soon we will be trying it. Also, you can research other types of farms and buy an animal for slaughter. Maybe look up some organic farmers who have he ability to assure you their animals have not had hormone injections for generations...you can find out if they are grass fed or corn fed, too. I am sure there is some sort of organic license or something that is required in order to assure that. Get a friend with the same desire for natural meat and go in half and half on a cow. Get someone to slaughter it for you and store all the meat in a deep freeze. It is surprisingly inexpensive to do this with cattle farms, considering how much you pay for a pound of ground beef here and there. Think about all the money you save, by not going out to eat? You can do this with pork too. If you have a couple of acres, you can raise a cow or 2 of your own. Simpler living doesn't necessarily mean tireless work for the rest of your life. It just depends on what is important to you and how important you feel it is.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by glatt

Laws of physics determine how fast you can swing a hammer. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are, two people with the same length arm will swing a hammer of identical weight at the same speed. That's how pendulums on clocks are able to be used to tell time.

I think you need to brush up on your physics. Pendulums work because the only force on them is gravity. If you motorized them, they'd go faster, and a stronger motor would move them faster. Likewise, a stronger person can swing a hammer faster and harder.

I haven't seen that documentary, so I can't speak to that specific instance, though.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by glatt

I saw that when it was on our local PBS station recently. It was laughable. First, the film was sped up so it was faster than real life. It was most obvious when he was sawing or hammering that it was being shown at about 1.5 speed or so. Laws of physics determine how fast you can swing a hammer. Doesn't matter how strong or fast you are, two people with the same length arm will swing a hammer of identical weight at the same speed. That's how pendulums on clocks are able to be used to tell time. He was clearly swinging his hammer faster than any human I've ever seen. The saw too. Also, for any given task, he would show 1 step (usually the most visually insteresting one) and skip the other ten steps he had to follow to get to that point and to go past that point.

Yes. He built a log cabin in the wilderness. Yes. That's hard work and it's not something seen on TV every day, so it's neat to watch. But that "documentary" was so biased as to the amount of work you can get done in a set period of time that I would almost classify it as fiction. Shows like "This Old House" make it look like you can do significant amounts of work in a weekend afternoon. It's part of the way material is presented on TV to keep it interesting, but at least those home improvement shows don't speed up the reels.

C'mon Glatt, this wasn't a "produced" tv show with 17 technicians and grips watching him work. The show was patched together from 35 year old home movies he took as a record of him building a home...a life...out of what nature provided in a very hostile wilderness.
Home movies, even with a good 16mm camera, are not accurate for time and motion studies.
He was 51 years old when he paddled his canoe out of civilization. At 82 he finally had to give it up but he was still climbing that ladder to his meat locker and carrying his water from the lake. 99% of the people trying this would die.

Sure it only touched on the highlights of the work involved and you only saw the last three strokes of the saw when he sliced a board from a log, but they were only trying to present a clue of what was involved, for people that haven't one.
How can you get 32 years into a 1 hour show. You have to fill in the blanks from the timeline they gave you. He told how many weeks elapsed within the few minutes of video to build a cabin.
You could also rightfully criticize them glossing over the hardships he suffered but I think it's near a miracle this remarkable record exists at all.

Were you pissed because they didn't show you exactly how the Bat Cave was built before going after the Joker?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

If you want to know what it's like to live off the land successfully, find a copy of "Alone in the Wilderness," a documentary filmed in Alaska in the 60s or 70s. It's been on PBS recently, but I don't know who the guy is. I'll google it later.

Anyway, he spends every waking moment either getting food, building shelter, or making improvements to his food and shelter. Lived like that for years before he finally got too old and had to go to a nursing home, where he died pretty quickly. You want tough? That old man was tough as nails, and as gentle as could be. I need to watch that again.

I have the DVD, VHS tape, and the book.

[chainsaw]

I understand that KFC is a huge corporation and their "restaurants" are all over the world, but why only target them? If this is happening at their chicken factories, it's probably happening at lots of other chicken factories that supply other restaurants, grocery stores, etc.

Bottom line is, if you want to know where your food comes from and control every aspect of how it gets to you, grow it yourself!

KFC does have the best coleslaw though

[russotto]

The "simple" life means working from before dusk 'til after dark nearly every day of your life, and still starving if the weather's against you. Forget it. I'll get my steaks from a grocery store (or a butcher, if there was one around, which there ain't) and my grain already processed into bread. That'll leave me plenty of spare time to worry about what I'm eating, if I'm so inclined (which I'm not).

As for coffee... no, Starbucks doesn't know how to make it. The Bucks County Coffee Company does though. And for some reason the New Zealanders do damn good espresso-based beverages, but that's a long way to go for a cappuchino.