Hispanic Boycott in Arizona

[Guyute]

XoxoxoBruce-> You're right; I should have qualified my sarcasm to ensure it implied illegals. Anyone who actually went throught the legal way to enter is A-OK; I think people who encourage, harbor or employ illegals should be prosecuted. Otherwise what good is a passport? Or paying taxes?

[wolf]

I get myself in a fair amount of trouble, simply because I am not ashamed of being white, and choose to hate people on an individual basis, rather than as a consequence of group (granfalloon) membership. Unless you consider "assholes" to be a granfalloon.

I do carry a copy of this, just in case, however.

[jaguar]

Some of the most racist people I've ever met were not Caucasian.

I'll second that, while it is (and important to remember it is) a minority it's always really got my goat that if you're not white, it's fine to be racist as hell yet the same people feel they can pull the race card whenever things don't go their way.

[Guyute]

Elspode,

I agree- imagine starting a "White University"? There is definitely a double standard here in North America.

We are now seeing the result of 25 years of special interest groups performing a very effective marketing program on the government and the media. If you apply to the government in Nova Scotia, many times the job will say "This job is only available to African-American, Aboriginal, or visible-minority persons". WTF? And THIS is not racism???? Why not say "this job is only available to ANYONE whether they are Black or whatever color, race, gender, or religion, I don't give a fuck, but you must speak, read and write the language of majority well, and preferably one other language. Oh, and I insist that you actually WORK for 8 hours, not 3-1/2" Then you may see the cream rise to the top.

We had 5 black guys beat the shit out of one white guy here in Halifax last week, and all of these media people are saying " Oh but you have to understand that they all probably come from disadvantaged households, and are only the result of systemic racism, and they are only lashing out". Well, since the police never caught one, we don't know that, so I am going to just assume that they are piece-of-crap punks, not because of their skin tone, but because they go gang up on other people instead of joining a sports team or..here's a stretch...DOING HOMEWORK SO THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THAT TYPE OF LIFESTYLE!!!!! If it was 5 white guys that did that to a black guy, the whole city would have been turned upside down by every cop and vigilante so that they could find those racist bastards and string them up, and we never would have heard the end of people screaming about the rich white punks pounding some poor African-Canadian who was just minding his own business. There comes a time when we have to say enough is enough and start treating people by the way they act, not by their ethnicity and background. Bill Cosby is on the right track, saying that people have to start taking responsibility for their own actions, that the time is long gone that "the Man" is the problem.

I still don't buy into this "african-american" or "whozeewhatsis-ecuadoran". Africa is a continent, so if you weren't born in a specific country there, why can't you just frikkin say that you are American? British? Libyan? Malian? Polish? Swahili? What if the guy's ORIGINALLY from Sierra Leone 400 years ago, but his last 10 generations are from Jamaica? This just serves to 'unlevel' the playing field even more.

[Elspode]

The race card is almost always a red herring. There are, however, clear cut cases of racially motivated crime, and I'm all in favor of hammering the dimwitted, prejudiced scumbags who perpetrate such acts. No matter what their ethnic heritage may happen to be.

A crime is a crime. An asshole is an asshole. Prejudice is prejudice.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You're not alone, Guyute.

[Griff]

I won't argue with most of that Guyete, although I really don't care what people call themselves. The Black universities in the US were a response to White racists keeping Black kids out of school. Once you start an organization like that a community builds up around it and you don't just close it down. I'd have to check but I think in the States those schools have to take White kids if they take gummint dollars. I don't think you can openly exclude folks from employment in the US like your Canadian example does. We really should have more freedom of association than we do but since tax dollars infiltrate all sectors of our economy those dollars have to be followed by equal access laws.

[lookout123]

Most of the "Black Universities" were started when there was indeed such thing as a white university.

and what year was that?

i agree that this nation has a horrible history of racist policies and behaviors, but IMO all of these race specific schools and organizations do nothing but perpetuate an "us" vs. "them" mentality. that attitude is poison to the soul. have you ever met someone who clearly holds racist ideas about other groups but has a very good friend who fits within the villainized group? what do they say? "yeah, i know he is ____ but he is different, he doesn't act like them." BS - the only difference is that he actually took the time getting to know him.

i seriously feel that the best thing we could do for race relations in this country would be disband any organizations that are race or ethnicity specific. would there still be discrimination? certainly. people suck, after all. but over time the us vs. them will drift away as people come in contact more and more often.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by lookout123

and what year was that?

The reason I put "Black Universities" in quotes is that they are no longer only for blacks, any more than formerly white universities are only for whites. They're now called "historically black universities", and the only reason nobody mentions "historically white universities" it that they all were unless otherwise noted.

It would be nice if people didn't segregate themselves, but I certainly understand the appeal of going somewhere where I wouldn't be a minority - I didn't apply to any historically black universities. Such self-segregating does perpetuate bias, but it is also a defensive crouch in reaction to it.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Guyute

I agree- imagine starting a "White University"? There is definitely a double standard here in North America.

Most of the "Black Universities" were started when there was indeed such thing as a white university.

[Be Less Bored]

Originally Posted by Guyute

" Oh but you have to understand

Let's try to understand them once their in prison.

I still don't buy into this "african-american" or

Hey I'm a hyphented-American. I'm many: real-American, actual-American, American-American.

Africa is a continent

And here's an entertaining bit: not all black-skinned people hail from Africa. Is it still politically correct to refer to those as African-Americans?

last 10 generations are from Jamaica?

Liberalists don't think out positions... they feel them. That's why it'll take them quite a while to get out of their deep, dark hole.

Careful.. soon as an employeer I might be sued for my hiring practices of discriminating against unqualified-Americans.

[lookout123]

you know, BLB - i don't know what your real, well-thought-out responses would be...but i hope different. responses like your don't do much but stir up the pot and give a face to the fears that many americans have of the conservative, anti-illegal immigration contingent.

i am a political conservative, i am vociferousely anti-illegal immigration, hyphenations annoy me, but i reject your kneejerk, backslapping, redneckish response to these issues.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Just another smug Bush-baby college kid that thinks he's better and smarter than the masses.
Doesn't want to waste his precious time educating the unwashed so just drops by to stir shit.
Engaging is a debate would reveal how hollow his values are.
Probably heading for an MBA.

[wolf]

No longer for blacks?? Go right ahead and try to apply for admission to Grambling or Howard ... Last time I was there the only white folks at Lincoln University were staff.

Crimes are only prosecuted as "racially motivated" or "hate crimes" when it's white perpetrator, black (or other race) victim.

There have been multiple cases of black or hispanic on white crime where the perpetrators specifically state their victims were chosen because they were white and they are not prosecuted as hate crimes.

[warch]

From what I've read historically Black Universitites which are still about 90% black enrollment (many established in the late 19thc) are on the decline. Students and quality faculty are going where the funding is, to state and larger private schools, since they have access. I bet if you applied to Grambling or Howard or Lincoln and had solid academic prep and no need for any of their scholarship funds, they'd snatch you right up.
I forget the stats, but at most US Universities, men of all hues are now a minority population.

Didnt the level headed McCain just propose some reality based new work permit scheme?