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27 | 42.86% |
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36 | 57.14% |
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That's why Cloud started all those threads for you.
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I don't think she started any threads for me Bruce.
Have a nice day.
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Do bear in mind that Spexxvet has already demonstrated that this is a subject on which he cannot think rationally. This has been pointed out by me, by wolf, and perhaps xoxoBruce (implicitly if not explicitly). We beat Spexx into the ground.
The rational way is not to delegitimize armed self-defense. It's even less rational once you see in all its horror just what that opens the way for. (My least-favorite Cellar-Dweller leans heavily towards delegitimizing it too, and how very like him.) And a ball bat is a potentially lethal weapon. Invading your dwelling plus offering you lethal violence -- every law in the land says you can do anything up to lethal force to stop him. The law only allows you to stop him, but he's the one who determines how much stopping is required. It would be bad for the rest of town to let him run, for one consideration. The law prefers a proportionality of force to the situation, if at all available. Lethal possibility on one side justifies lethal force on the other. We are however, talking about only three percent of armed self-defense cases.
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Well, the thing is, the people in this argument have all stated their case on numerous occasions and there's been no concensus.
I just wonder why it has to degenerate into something so base. Why can't people just stop arguing if there's nothing new to present?
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If you feel that is true, then why in hell are you reading this thread, other to scold people. Go read Clouds threads.
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A gun is not purchased to kill someone. (unless, of course, it is, in the case of a criminal or whatever... but thats another deal altogether)
A gun IS purchased expressly to defend yourself with, up to and including using it to kill. This is a semantics issue, I think.
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Too, simplistic, there are more reasons to buy a gun than just self defense.
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Answer the question.
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You're talking bullshit because, you just don't know and claiming you do is a lie.
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If owning indicates anything, it indicates preparation, and a will to prevail regardless of the level of violence an attacker may bring. This is simply the martial-arts self-defense viewpoint, and the resisting of evil so that evil simply can no longer act is a moral action.
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If someone buys a gun to defend themselves, they hope to have the force needed to do it. This does NOT mean they are buying a gun to kill people. In nearly all cases, merely showing the attacker a weapon is enough of a deterrent to get them to leave. Owning a gun does not indicate an intent to kill and only an idiot would claim such.
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