Cellar exit poll - Election 2006 - Page 3

BigV · 11-08-2006, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

Excuse me! Why is this poll only for US? Given the influence (and arogance) of the US govt, I think it only fair that the whole world gets to vote not only on your polls but also in your elections..... you do believe in Democracy, don't you?

Well, he asked about the voters in the US because, well, the voters in the US just had an election. Doofus.

You want to vote in the poll, click a circle. Knock yourself out. Feel the thrill of Democracy for yourself.

By the way, how did you vote?

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 07:35 PM

GEORGE W. BUSH - RESUME'

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520.

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pleaded guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost"
and is not available.

MILITARY

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take
a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the
Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam

COLLEGE

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any
oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that
took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry, including Enron CEO Ken Lay, I was elected governor
of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions
in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American
history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's
appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT

I am the first President in U.S. History to enter office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
billion dollars per week.

I spent the U.S. Surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. History.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any
12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the
U.S. Stock market.

In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. History. My "poorest millionaire, " Condoleeza
Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. And world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor and one of my best friends,
Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
U.S. History, Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to
assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election
decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.

More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair
than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. History and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. History.

I changed the U.S. Policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. History.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy
in the history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. History.

I am the first President in U.S. History to have the United Nations remove the U.S. From the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. From the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S . "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby
have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. Election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. History.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. After the World Trade Center
attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in-wartime.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's
library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. I am a member of the Republican Party.

IF YOU ARE A U.S. CITIZEN, PLEASE CONSIDER MY
EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN THE 2006 MIDTERM
ELECTIONS!

JayMcGee · 11-07-2006, 07:43 PM

ah..... thanks for the explanation, marieschick. Now I understand American Democracy.

wolf · 11-07-2006, 07:45 PM

Welcome to voting in Philadelphia.

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 07:46 PM

In one sense, I agree with Jay (as much as it pains me to say) however, we as citizens of the world must put our faith in our American friends and hope that they will do the best thing by us in the end. After all, how would you feel if American's has a say in who was voted into power in your country?

I'd also like to add that, if it weren't for the French, the US would in all possibility still be under the influence of the British government, so nothing is really as black and white as telling someone their country should have held onto their power over other nations.

JayMcGee · 11-07-2006, 08:04 PM

why, thank you, Alia...... and yes, you are right, we should have faith in our friends.... but our perception is perhaps clouded...do they really vote on the sexual predilections of the candidates, swayed bythe advertising budget of the parties? Perhaps, you might say, that is their affair....

... and yet.....

what happens in the USA elections affects the rest of the world profoundly.

Perhaps the best way forward would be to put the USA under UN control.

wolf · 11-07-2006, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

Perhaps the best way forward would be to put the USA under UN control.

Absofuckinglutely no.

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 08:09 PM

Well that's not likely to happen when the UN is a puppet for the US to play with.

I can't say whether the citizens of the USA will make the right decision. I'm not even sure if I know what the right decision would be. It's very complicated, and the outcome is not likely to provide an evident answer in the short term anyway.

Elections in the USA during modern history have had a profound effect on the rest of the world, and will continue to do so until such time as their reign as world leaders is over. Then we'll just complain about the new one - whoever it might be.

Perhaps then, the citizens of the USA will lament their glory days, just as the British empire does...as do the French, Greeks, Egyptians etc...

Undertoad · 11-07-2006, 08:18 PM

I'm sure your own local town councils have more sway over your life than the US Congress, in terms of what happens on an every day basis. Your own culture has more of an effect than anything else.

JayMcGee · 11-07-2006, 08:25 PM

mmmmmmm........ I'm not convinced that my borough councils anti-litter crackdown inspired the 7/7 bombers....

Aliantha · 11-07-2006, 08:27 PM

I think world events have a marked effect on local events. Both are intertwined and not easily separated, so to try and deny that US elections have a profound effect on events in other countries is simply not true. Perhaps the effects are not immediate, but if Regan had one thing figured out, it was the 'trickle down' effect.

Believe me, the citizens of the USA hold the fate of many far more than their own countrymen in their hands during this election.

Undertoad · 11-07-2006, 08:28 PM

Did you or anyone you know get blowed up?

11-07-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Did you or anyone you know get blowed up?

Yep.

In Iraq.

What's the ratio now of Americans (and our allies like the Brits, Aussies, and Canadians) who have been killed in one of the stupidest wars since Vietnam to the number killed in 9/11. What about the ratio of Iraqi civilians compared to American civilians killed in 9/11? Where is the man responsible for it all? Jr. doesn't know and neither does anyone else. The people responsible for 9/11 were Saudi's. If we couldn't stomach going to Afganistan to find Bin Laden, shouldn't we at least have attacked Saudi Arabia?

And going back to your original question, there were probably a few Brits and Aussies who got blown up in 9/11. However, I notice that our faithful allies (at least on this board) are not hugely impressed by Jr.'s response.

Yeah, our election effects them. As our allies, their young men get to go to Iraq and get killed just like ours do. Let's hear it for another Gallipuli.

Pie · 11-07-2006, 08:44 PM

Dem for Senate/House, Dem for all the locals, though I would have voted just about any flavor other than Rep for locals. No Yes Yes on the props.

Hey, I got to vote for a fellow physicist. Pretty cool.

Undertoad · 11-07-2006, 08:54 PM

I wasn't asking you, so shut the fuck up and don't respond to any of my posts again.

View Poll Results: How did you vote?
Democrats	17	44.74%
Republicans	5	13.16%
Some sort of mixture of the two.	12	31.58%
Independents/Other	7	18.42%
I'm not going to vote.	1	2.63%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

11-07-2006, 07:35 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	GEORGE W. BUSH - RESUME' 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20520. I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pleaded guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available. MILITARY I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam COLLEGE I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader. PAST WORK EXPERIENCE I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry, including Enron CEO Ken Lay, I was elected governor of Texas. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes. ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT I am the first President in U.S. History to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. Surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. History. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. Stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. History. My "poorest millionaire, " Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. And world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. History and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. History. I changed the U.S. Policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. History. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. History. I am the first President in U.S. History to have the United Nations remove the U.S. From the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S. From the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S . "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. Election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. History. I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. After the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in-wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice. RECORDS AND REFERENCES All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. I am a member of the Republican Party. IF YOU ARE A U.S. CITIZEN, PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN THE 2006 MIDTERM ELECTIONS! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 07:43 PM	#3
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	ah..... thanks for the explanation, marieschick. Now I understand American Democracy. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-07-2006, 07:45 PM	#4
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Welcome to voting in Philadelphia. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-07-2006, 07:46 PM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	In one sense, I agree with Jay (as much as it pains me to say) however, we as citizens of the world must put our faith in our American friends and hope that they will do the best thing by us in the end. After all, how would you feel if American's has a say in who was voted into power in your country? I'd also like to add that, if it weren't for the French, the US would in all possibility still be under the influence of the British government, so nothing is really as black and white as telling someone their country should have held onto their power over other nations. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 08:04 PM	#6
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	why, thank you, Alia...... and yes, you are right, we should have faith in our friends.... but our perception is perhaps clouded...do they really vote on the sexual predilections of the candidates, swayed bythe advertising budget of the parties? Perhaps, you might say, that is their affair.... ... and yet..... what happens in the USA elections affects the rest of the world profoundly. Perhaps the best way forward would be to put the USA under UN control. __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-07-2006, 08:09 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well that's not likely to happen when the UN is a puppet for the US to play with. I can't say whether the citizens of the USA will make the right decision. I'm not even sure if I know what the right decision would be. It's very complicated, and the outcome is not likely to provide an evident answer in the short term anyway. Elections in the USA during modern history have had a profound effect on the rest of the world, and will continue to do so until such time as their reign as world leaders is over. Then we'll just complain about the new one - whoever it might be. Perhaps then, the citizens of the USA will lament their glory days, just as the British empire does...as do the French, Greeks, Egyptians etc... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 08:18 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm sure your own local town councils have more sway over your life than the US Congress, in terms of what happens on an every day basis. Your own culture has more of an effect than anything else.

11-07-2006, 08:25 PM	#10
JayMcGee Cardigan-wearing man Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Much Binding In The Marsh Posts: 1,082	mmmmmmm........ I'm not convinced that my borough councils anti-litter crackdown inspired the 7/7 bombers.... __________________ I like wearing cardigans...... my current favourite is an orange cable-knit with real leatherette buttons.

11-07-2006, 08:27 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think world events have a marked effect on local events. Both are intertwined and not easily separated, so to try and deny that US elections have a profound effect on events in other countries is simply not true. Perhaps the effects are not immediate, but if Regan had one thing figured out, it was the 'trickle down' effect. Believe me, the citizens of the USA hold the fate of many far more than their own countrymen in their hands during this election. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-07-2006, 08:28 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Did you or anyone you know get blowed up?

11-07-2006, 08:44 PM	#14
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Dem for Senate/House, Dem for all the locals, though I would have voted just about any flavor other than Rep for locals. No Yes Yes on the props. Hey, I got to vote for a fellow physicist. Pretty cool. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

11-07-2006, 08:54 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I wasn't asking you, so shut the fuck up and don't respond to any of my posts again.

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