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Flint · 11-09-2006, 01:43 PM

Can I justifiably break into your garage and steal your lawnmower, because of terrorists?

yesman065 · 11-09-2006, 01:47 PM

Nah - my ex moved out of the house last weekend and took it along with everything else & I mean everything right down to lightbulbs and toilet paper. But if I had one, you could.

Flint · 11-09-2006, 01:48 PM

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yesman065 · 11-09-2006, 02:08 PM

OK, I give up - you guys are all right and I'm nuts. (not the first time) Just let me make sure I get this correct, so when asked I have ALL the facts and can discuss this intelligently. We, America, as a country, invaded another country, Iraq, and committed the majority of our military manpower, jeopardizing 10's if not 100's of thousands of lives, included all facets of our defense programs, spent countless millions of dollars AND dragged our allies with us for absolutely no reason other than to just to siphon off money into the pockets of political and personal supporters. Is that right??

Shawnee123 · 11-09-2006, 02:11 PM

Sounds pretty close

glatt · 11-09-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman065

OK, I give up - you guys are all right and I'm nuts. (not the first time) Just let me make sure I get this correct, so when asked I have ALL the facts and can discuss this intelligently. We, America, as a country, invaded another country, Iraq, and committed the majority of our military manpower, jeopardizing 10's if not 100's of thousands of lives, included all facets of our defense programs, spent countless millions of dollars AND dragged our allies with us for absolutely no reason other than to just to siphon off money into the pockets of political and personal supporters. Is that right??

I still don't know why we invaded Iraq. It never made sense. Your reason isn't the best I've heard, but it's possible.

Happy Monkey · 11-09-2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yesman065

OK, I give up - you guys are all right and I'm nuts. (not the first time) Just let me make sure I get this correct, so when asked I have ALL the facts and can discuss this intelligently. We, America, as a country, invaded another country, Iraq, and committed the majority of our military manpower, jeopardizing 10's if not 100's of thousands of lives, included all facets of our defense programs, spent countless millions of dollars AND dragged our allies with us for absolutely no reason other than to just to siphon off money into the pockets of political and personal supporters. Is that right??

A primary reason we attacked Iraq was described by the PNAC in advance. They thought we'd be greeted as liberators, and the jubilant Iraqis would give us land for military bases. They'd become a shining beacon of democracy, inspiring the people in neighboring countries to overthrow their despotic leaders and spread democracy throughout the region. And as our new ally, Iraq would sell us oil that would bypass the OPEC cartel.

Terrorism had little to do with it, except for reducing the need for the administration to come up with another excuse. Of all the countries in the region, Iraq was pretty low on the list of terrorist support.

Flint · 11-09-2006, 02:12 PM

I think we had reasons for doing it, and I wish they could have been more up front about what they were, instead of cooking up a series of failed PR campaigns, and losing support for a war the reasons for which were never properly stated to begin with.

yesman065 · 11-09-2006, 02:19 PM

My goodness people - that is really really sad! I am ashamed to call myself an American if some of us actually believe that statement. I am done - there is no more. It really scares the hell outta me that anyone could convince someone of that.

yesman065 · 11-09-2006, 02:30 PM

They = terrorists.

Undertoad · 11-09-2006, 02:32 PM

There were, and remain, strategic objectives to Iraq beyond simply WMD or even Hussein. But the strategic objectives are shot due to the unanticipated insurgency and continued sectarian violence.

Flint · 11-09-2006, 02:35 PM

I love it when UT sets little boobie-traps in his posts:

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

...unanticipated insurgency...

Hippikos · 11-10-2006, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

There were, and remain, strategic objectives to Iraq beyond simply WMD or even Hussein. But the strategic objectives are shot due to the unanticipated insurgency and continued sectarian violence.

All that has been achieved strategically is that Iran is now the main regional power. Don't think that was the meaning, or wassit?

BigV · 11-09-2006, 02:34 PM

Ok, nice recovery.

Question: Why are we fighting, no, who are we fighting in Iraq? The people we're shooting, the people shooting us, Who are they? Are they these "terrorists"?

There's a serious disconnect here about the terminology. Without some common ground here, we will continue to fumble blindly around this elephant, some claiming it's like a tree while others claim it's like a rope.

Flint · 11-09-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

...the terminology...

Vague terminology is like a blank check.

11-09-2006, 01:43 PM	#1
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11-09-2006, 01:48 PM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	!!! . __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-09-2006, 02:11 PM	#5
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Sounds pretty close __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

11-09-2006, 02:12 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I think we had reasons for doing it, and I wish they could have been more up front about what they were, instead of cooking up a series of failed PR campaigns, and losing support for a war the reasons for which were never properly stated to begin with. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-09-2006, 02:34 PM	#14
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Ok, nice recovery. Question: Why are we fighting, no, who are we fighting in Iraq? The people we're shooting, the people shooting us, Who are they? Are they these "terrorists"? There's a serious disconnect here about the terminology. Without some common ground here, we will continue to fumble blindly around this elephant, some claiming it's like a tree while others claim it's like a rope. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

11-09-2006, 01:47 PM	#2
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Nah - my ex moved out of the house last weekend and took it along with everything else & I mean everything right down to lightbulbs and toilet paper. But if I had one, you could.

11-09-2006, 02:08 PM	#4
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	OK, I give up - you guys are all right and I'm nuts. (not the first time) Just let me make sure I get this correct, so when asked I have ALL the facts and can discuss this intelligently. We, America, as a country, invaded another country, Iraq, and committed the majority of our military manpower, jeopardizing 10's if not 100's of thousands of lives, included all facets of our defense programs, spent countless millions of dollars AND dragged our allies with us for absolutely no reason other than to just to siphon off money into the pockets of political and personal supporters. Is that right??

11-09-2006, 02:19 PM	#9
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	My goodness people - that is really really sad! I am ashamed to call myself an American if some of us actually believe that statement. I am done - there is no more. It really scares the hell outta me that anyone could convince someone of that.

11-09-2006, 02:30 PM	#10
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	They = terrorists.

11-09-2006, 02:32 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There were, and remain, strategic objectives to Iraq beyond simply WMD or even Hussein. But the strategic objectives are shot due to the unanticipated insurgency and continued sectarian violence.

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