Entitlements of prisoners - Page 3

Sundae · 02-15-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie

I bet they don't give the Catholics fish on friday but I don't hear them bitching about it.

For the record Catholics can abstain from another food type or perform another kind of penance on Fridays - they do not have to specifially abstain from meat.

I'd be all for refusing prisoners TV or cigarettes as I see those as non-essential and as privileges. I don't see allowing them to adhere to their faith is an abuse of the system or a special treat. I also don't think you can decide whether someone should practice their religion on the basis of previous behaviour. Otherwise no-one in prison should have access to spiritual guidance.

I guess people just see religion and faith based dietary constraints differently.

chrisinhouston · 02-18-2007, 05:53 PM

Peyote, that's all I would need for my religion! Oh, and some barnyard mushrooms.

Pie · 02-14-2007, 08:54 AM

How about medical needs? Plenty of diabetic prisoners. Should they get the same high-carb slop as everyone else, even though it'll kill them? (Or at least make them blind, with failed kidneys and bad heart?)

Oooh ooh -- we don't owe them anything, they failed society's tests, they can't tolerate the lowest common denominator, let 'em die.

Aliantha · 02-14-2007, 08:02 PM

Dana, if he's a true Muslim and follows his religion according to the letter then he wouldn't be in prison in the first place. I don't accept the argument of religion as a good reason for a criminal to recieve preferential treatment. They should have listened more closely to their God in the first place before committing a crime.

As to diabetics etc, they are served diets suitable to the health requirements. As do vego's, although I disagree with that also. If they don't want the meat, then they can just not have it, and they can purchase a bag of lentils out of their weekly allowance.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-14-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Dana, if he's a true Muslim and follows his religion according to the letter then he wouldn't be in prison in the first place.

I forgot Muslims aren't people and don't make mistakes...

Aliantha · 02-14-2007, 09:31 PM

Pierce, my point is that if your religion means that much to you, then you don't do things like commit sexual assault. It cannot be used as a justification for one thing and then on the other hand to say, "oops, I slipped up". You can't have it both ways.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-14-2007, 10:18 PM

I agree with you on that but I think it is extremely hard to make every desicion based on religion. Everyone is human but, yes, sexual assault is more extreme then a common mistake, unless their is some hidden reason but that is unlikely.

I forget who brought it up but I like the idea that prisoners can earn points and then they can choose to eat according to their religion for a little extra price. It won't deny them of their customs and it also makes them work for it to make sure they don't expect getting special treatment without a sacrifice.

Aliantha · 02-14-2007, 10:46 PM

Over here prisoners can get paid up to $70/week. I'm sure if having a specific food is so important to them, they could use that money to buy said food instead of a dvd player for their cell etc.

WabUfvot5 · 02-15-2007, 02:15 AM

My religion dictates I must not be locked up. If incarcerated I fully expect any prison to honor my religion.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-15-2007, 07:14 AM

Give it a shot and get back to us with that, Jebediah.

02-14-2007, 08:54 AM	#3
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	How about medical needs? Plenty of diabetic prisoners. Should they get the same high-carb slop as everyone else, even though it'll kill them? (Or at least make them blind, with failed kidneys and bad heart?) Oooh ooh -- we don't owe them anything, they failed society's tests, they can't tolerate the lowest common denominator, let 'em die. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

02-14-2007, 08:02 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Dana, if he's a true Muslim and follows his religion according to the letter then he wouldn't be in prison in the first place. I don't accept the argument of religion as a good reason for a criminal to recieve preferential treatment. They should have listened more closely to their God in the first place before committing a crime. As to diabetics etc, they are served diets suitable to the health requirements. As do vego's, although I disagree with that also. If they don't want the meat, then they can just not have it, and they can purchase a bag of lentils out of their weekly allowance. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-14-2007, 09:31 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Pierce, my point is that if your religion means that much to you, then you don't do things like commit sexual assault. It cannot be used as a justification for one thing and then on the other hand to say, "oops, I slipped up". You can't have it both ways. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-14-2007, 10:46 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Over here prisoners can get paid up to $70/week. I'm sure if having a specific food is so important to them, they could use that money to buy said food instead of a dvd player for their cell etc. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-15-2007, 07:14 AM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Give it a shot and get back to us with that, Jebediah. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-18-2007, 05:53 PM	#2
chrisinhouston Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,857	Peyote, that's all I would need for my religion! Oh, and some barnyard mushrooms.

02-14-2007, 10:18 PM	#7
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I agree with you on that but I think it is extremely hard to make every desicion based on religion. Everyone is human but, yes, sexual assault is more extreme then a common mistake, unless their is some hidden reason but that is unlikely. I forget who brought it up but I like the idea that prisoners can earn points and then they can choose to eat according to their religion for a little extra price. It won't deny them of their customs and it also makes them work for it to make sure they don't expect getting special treatment without a sacrifice.

02-15-2007, 02:15 AM	#9
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	My religion dictates I must not be locked up. If incarcerated I fully expect any prison to honor my religion.

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