US Military Treatment Of Atheists - Page 3

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

If you don't have any characteristics, then you aren't a group. If you do, then you are subject to criticism.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Horseshit, you are trying to say all Christians are the same, because they are Christians... all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same. That's patently ridiculous.
Are all Texans the same, think the same, act the same? I think not.

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Originally Posted by Flint

No, I'm not saying that. I've never said that, despite your repeated, hysterical claims to the contrary. Quote me, or fuck off. Your call.

That's exactly what you said, and it's bullshit.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 08:08 PM

What I got from Flints post(s) is that people claim to be Christians which is fine, but that you can't disown part of the group just because you don't agree or believe what they do. They're still either part of the group or they're not, and if they are, then you by association must take some responsibility for the group as a whole.

For example, if you're an American, you might disagree with some things the American government does or something any other American does, but that doesn't make you any less American, and possibly, like most people who would consider themselves American, you'd want to fix the things that you think are wrong.

I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

dar512 · 10-02-2007, 08:27 PM

If that's what he's saying, then I most heartily disagree. No person can be responsible for another much less for an entire group. A person can only be responsible for their own actions.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 08:44 PM

I don't think it means you're responsible. I do think it means that you can't simply say, well I disagree with that but I'm not going to do anything about, and while I'm doing that, I'm going to stay part of the group anyway. It's not just about religion if you look at it from that perspective. You could look at any club and recognise that there are rules associated with the club and if you don't adhere to them, you get thrown out of the club. You don't get the luxury of saying, I'm part of that club, except when it comes to such and such. When that happens, I'm part of a different club.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't think it means you're responsible. I do think it means that you can't simply say, well I disagree with that but I'm not going to do anything about, and while I'm doing that, I'm going to stay part of the group anyway. It's not just about religion if you look at it from that perspective.

That's a fucked up perspective. So you are responsible for the actions of every one of the 20,434,175 other Australians?

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You could look at any club and recognise that there are rules associated with the club and if you don't adhere to them, you get thrown out of the club. You don't get the luxury of saying, I'm part of that club, except when it comes to such and such. When that happens, I'm part of a different club.

It's not a club, it's something we have in common, and in many cases the only thing, those 2.1 billion people have in common.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 10:11 PM

Whatever you say Bruce. There's no point in trying to talk reasonably to you when you're on another one of your crusades.

Enjoy your day.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 10:18 PM

Fuck you, you condecending bitch.

Bullitt · 10-02-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Fuck you, you condecending bitch.

Shhhhh there there bruce, let's all just enjoy some boobies and forget all about this

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 10:34 PM

lol...Careful you don't get too upset bruce. You might burst a blood vessel or something.

Sundae · 10-03-2007, 10:04 AM

I didn't really enjoy the boobies, Bullitt
Can I have something else please?

Bullitt · 10-03-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I didn't really enjoy the boobies, Bullitt
Can I have something else please?

Scuse me while I wrestle with my long hose miss..

lookout123 · 10-03-2007, 02:57 PM

damn bullitt. been saving that on your hard drive for just the right situation?

10-03-2007, 03:00 PM

Just like I just did... great work!

Flint · 10-03-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

Well, Flint, I have to say I got pretty much the same thing as Bruce did out of this.

I guess part of the problem is that I can't believe that anyone as intelligent as you seem to be could make this statement. Part of the problem is that there's so much hand-waving and generality throwing in these discussions. Let's walk through an example.

The set of all Christians are those that believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died in atonement for our sins.

The people who believe in Creationism is a subset of the above set. So some Christians do not believe in Creationism.

So tell me why I should take flak over Creationism, when I don't believe it?

If that's not what you're saying, then maybe you could 'splain yourself better.

No, I'm not saying that. I've never said anything like that. Not even remotely. What you're responding to is what Bruce said I said. I'm not going to argue about what Bruce said I said. I didn't say, or suggest that "all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same" ... If I had said that, EVER, then Bruce could just go ahead and quote me. He can't. I've never said that.

Think of it this way: people "born in Texas" are part of a static, imposed group. They have no choice in the matter. That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a voluntary decision. And the decision consists of...what? What is it that people mean when they CHOOSE to call themselves something? How would you know whether to call yourself something that doesn't have any characteristics? It wouldn't exist!

Understand this: I'm not arguing the scope of the characteristics. I'm not saying, and I've never said that "all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same" ...and I think it's fucking dishonest as hell to make the S T R E T C H to get that out of what I've said.

And I will add that it's really creepy to be topic-stalked by someone who is constantly, purposefully twisting my words to have the same, wrong meaning - that I've repeatedly correct them on. I will always welcome honest debate and genuine disagreement.

10-03-2007, 11:45 PM

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And I will add that it's really creepy to be topic-stalked by someone who is constantly, purposefully twisting my words to have the same, wrong meaning - that I've repeatedly correct them on. I will always welcome honest debate and genuine disagreement.

It does suck, I got a couple of em'.

10-02-2007, 08:08 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What I got from Flints post(s) is that people claim to be Christians which is fine, but that you can't disown part of the group just because you don't agree or believe what they do. They're still either part of the group or they're not, and if they are, then you by association must take some responsibility for the group as a whole. For example, if you're an American, you might disagree with some things the American government does or something any other American does, but that doesn't make you any less American, and possibly, like most people who would consider themselves American, you'd want to fix the things that you think are wrong. I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 08:27 PM	#3
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	If that's what he's saying, then I most heartily disagree. No person can be responsible for another much less for an entire group. A person can only be responsible for their own actions. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

10-02-2007, 08:44 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I don't think it means you're responsible. I do think it means that you can't simply say, well I disagree with that but I'm not going to do anything about, and while I'm doing that, I'm going to stay part of the group anyway. It's not just about religion if you look at it from that perspective. You could look at any club and recognise that there are rules associated with the club and if you don't adhere to them, you get thrown out of the club. You don't get the luxury of saying, I'm part of that club, except when it comes to such and such. When that happens, I'm part of a different club. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 10:11 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Whatever you say Bruce. There's no point in trying to talk reasonably to you when you're on another one of your crusades. Enjoy your day. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 10:34 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol...Careful you don't get too upset bruce. You might burst a blood vessel or something. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 10:18 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Fuck you, you condecending bitch.

10-03-2007, 10:04 AM	#10
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I didn't really enjoy the boobies, Bullitt Can I have something else please? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-03-2007, 02:57 PM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	damn bullitt. been saving that on your hard drive for just the right situation? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

10-03-2007, 03:00 PM	#13
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Just like I just did... great work!

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