US Military Treatment Of Atheists - Page 3

Happy Monkey · 10-01-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No they don't.

So they aren't all the subject of the complaint.

If I complain that Republicans did something nefarious, or that Democrats are spineless, please in the future take it as given that I am not referring to the ones who did not do the thing I am complaining about; rather I am complaining that the ones who did not do it are too few. I'd rather not put that caveat in every post, but when it comes up, feel free to check that the standing caveat is still in effect.

SamIam · 10-02-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I am married to one, my closest friend, many of my other friends are and many in my family are you fucking simpleton.
They all know how I feel and what I do to fight what "The Church" does and support me because they know that they hypocrisy harms the religion far more than anything else.

Punctuation would be a nice addition to your diatribes. It took me 30 seconds to decipher your first sentence, you simpleton.

Your argument sounds suspiciously like the old bromide, "some of my best friends are - (insert group of your choice - Afro-American, gays, homeless, lawyers, etc., etc.)."

I can't remember who said it - Jung, maybe? "Be careful whom you hate, for those are the ones you will most come to resemble."

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So they aren't all the subject of the complaint.

They are all the subject of his complaints, over and over and over and...

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If I complain that Republicans did something nefarious, or that Democrats are spineless, please in the future take it as given that I am not referring to the ones who did not do the thing I am complaining about; rather I am complaining that the ones who did not do it are too few. I'd rather not put that caveat in every post, but when it comes up, feel free to check that the standing caveat is still in effect.

If you want to make that caveat, either put it in the post or your signature. He's a homicide bomber, making no caveats.

Flint · 10-02-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...Horseshit, you are trying to say all Christians are the same, because they are Christians... all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same...

No, I'm not saying that. I've never said that, despite your repeated, hysterical claims to the contrary. Quote me, or fuck off. Your call.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 07:41 PM

Isn't the point that you can be part of the same group but still not be entirely the same?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

If you don't have any characteristics, then you aren't a group. If you do, then you are subject to criticism.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Horseshit, you are trying to say all Christians are the same, because they are Christians... all Christians do the same things, think the same, act the same. That's patently ridiculous.
Are all Texans the same, think the same, act the same? I think not.

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Originally Posted by Flint

No, I'm not saying that. I've never said that, despite your repeated, hysterical claims to the contrary. Quote me, or fuck off. Your call.

That's exactly what you said, and it's bullshit.

dar512 · 10-02-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

It's odd. A group of people choose to classify themselves as separate from the rest of humanity, but they also want immunity from criticism - because they claim that there are no defining characteristics to their classification.

If you don't have any characteristics, then you aren't a group. If you do, then you are subject to criticism.

Well, Flint, I have to say I got pretty much the same thing as Bruce did out of this.

I guess part of the problem is that I can't believe that anyone as intelligent as you seem to be could make this statement. Part of the problem is that there's so much hand-waving and generality throwing in these discussions. Let's walk through an example.

The set of all Christians are those that believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died in atonement for our sins.

The people who believe in Creationism is a subset of the above set. So some Christians do not believe in Creationism.

So tell me why I should take flak over Creationism, when I don't believe it?

If that's not what you're saying, then maybe you could 'splain yourself better.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 08:08 PM

What I got from Flints post(s) is that people claim to be Christians which is fine, but that you can't disown part of the group just because you don't agree or believe what they do. They're still either part of the group or they're not, and if they are, then you by association must take some responsibility for the group as a whole.

For example, if you're an American, you might disagree with some things the American government does or something any other American does, but that doesn't make you any less American, and possibly, like most people who would consider themselves American, you'd want to fix the things that you think are wrong.

I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

dar512 · 10-02-2007, 08:27 PM

If that's what he's saying, then I most heartily disagree. No person can be responsible for another much less for an entire group. A person can only be responsible for their own actions.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 08:44 PM

I don't think it means you're responsible. I do think it means that you can't simply say, well I disagree with that but I'm not going to do anything about, and while I'm doing that, I'm going to stay part of the group anyway. It's not just about religion if you look at it from that perspective. You could look at any club and recognise that there are rules associated with the club and if you don't adhere to them, you get thrown out of the club. You don't get the luxury of saying, I'm part of that club, except when it comes to such and such. When that happens, I'm part of a different club.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

I guess part of the problem is that I can't believe that anyone as intelligent as you seem to be could make this statement.

He's trolling, as usual.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't think it means you're responsible. I do think it means that you can't simply say, well I disagree with that but I'm not going to do anything about, and while I'm doing that, I'm going to stay part of the group anyway. It's not just about religion if you look at it from that perspective.

That's a fucked up perspective. So you are responsible for the actions of every one of the 20,434,175 other Australians?

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You could look at any club and recognise that there are rules associated with the club and if you don't adhere to them, you get thrown out of the club. You don't get the luxury of saying, I'm part of that club, except when it comes to such and such. When that happens, I'm part of a different club.

It's not a club, it's something we have in common, and in many cases the only thing, those 2.1 billion people have in common.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 10:11 PM

Whatever you say Bruce. There's no point in trying to talk reasonably to you when you're on another one of your crusades.

Enjoy your day.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-02-2007, 10:18 PM

Fuck you, you condecending bitch.

Aliantha · 10-02-2007, 10:34 PM

lol...Careful you don't get too upset bruce. You might burst a blood vessel or something.

10-02-2007, 07:41 PM	#35
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Isn't the point that you can be part of the same group but still not be entirely the same? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 08:08 PM	#38
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What I got from Flints post(s) is that people claim to be Christians which is fine, but that you can't disown part of the group just because you don't agree or believe what they do. They're still either part of the group or they're not, and if they are, then you by association must take some responsibility for the group as a whole. For example, if you're an American, you might disagree with some things the American government does or something any other American does, but that doesn't make you any less American, and possibly, like most people who would consider themselves American, you'd want to fix the things that you think are wrong. I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 08:27 PM	#39
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	If that's what he's saying, then I most heartily disagree. No person can be responsible for another much less for an entire group. A person can only be responsible for their own actions. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

10-02-2007, 08:44 PM	#40
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I don't think it means you're responsible. I do think it means that you can't simply say, well I disagree with that but I'm not going to do anything about, and while I'm doing that, I'm going to stay part of the group anyway. It's not just about religion if you look at it from that perspective. You could look at any club and recognise that there are rules associated with the club and if you don't adhere to them, you get thrown out of the club. You don't get the luxury of saying, I'm part of that club, except when it comes to such and such. When that happens, I'm part of a different club. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 10:11 PM	#43
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Whatever you say Bruce. There's no point in trying to talk reasonably to you when you're on another one of your crusades. Enjoy your day. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-02-2007, 10:18 PM	#44
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Fuck you, you condecending bitch.

10-02-2007, 10:34 PM	#45
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol...Careful you don't get too upset bruce. You might burst a blood vessel or something. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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