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Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 10:18 AM

Or we could get into semantics wars over what was supposed to be a joke, something that tickled me...eh.

I'm trying to see how you can be both, but if I was wrong I stand corrected.

lookout123 · 11-27-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No, agnostics believe it is impossible to know. Atheists lack belief in gods. You can be one, the other, both, or neither. Some atheists have afirmative belief in the nonexistence of gods, but most simply lack belief.

and what is the official title once vitriolic hate and condescension are mixed in?

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 10:24 AM

eek I looked it up in wikipedia. There are a thousand types of atheism/agnosticism and levels and now my head spins. You were right, Ibby, I was wrong (no, the world is not ending.)

classicman · 11-27-2007, 10:37 AM

Wiki will be the end of true definitions.

Happy Monkey · 11-27-2007, 10:37 AM

Given the usual definitions of the supernatural, I'd say that both would be the default logical position.

Agnostic is default because the supernatural can always skip one step ahead of science. You can never state with certainty that something wasn't done supernaturally, but in such a way that it just looks natural.

Atheist is default, because absence of belief is the most reasonable course in the absence of evidence.

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 10:40 AM

Re: Wiki...It's a quick reference, to me. Though it may not be all correct, I got the info I wanted without wading through theological websites; it was all on one page. Theism is all theory anyway. Before I catch it for that one, I am using the word theory in the usage that refers to "conjecture or speculation" NOT the usage of real science theory.

Disclaimers are fun!

Happy Monkey · 11-27-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Wiki will be the end of true definitions.

Definitions are conventions; wikipedia is as good a place as any (perhaps better) to collect all the myriad conventions in a convenient place.

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 10:42 AM

What Happy Monkey said.

classicman · 11-27-2007, 10:45 AM

I agree to some extent.

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 10:54 AM

Define "extent."

Classicman, just messing. I crack myself up, if no one else.

classicman · 11-27-2007, 10:55 AM

I think you crack up a lot of people - more than you know! Just not all in a good way

Shawnee123 · 11-27-2007, 10:57 AM

Yeah, that's the problem. I have discernation inefficiency.

classicman · 11-27-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Definitions are conventions; wikipedia is as good a place as any (perhaps better) to collect all the myriad conventions in a convenient place.

I think wehat is happening there or better yet, can happen with wiki, is that incorrect perceptions perpetuate and slowly become "facts" even though incorrect. Then again, maybe changing reality to perception is a good thing.

ZenGum · 11-27-2007, 10:59 AM

Wow. Someone just posted "You were right and I was wrong."

Wow.

The world may not be ending but for me it just gave a quick backflip.

11-27-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

[on rant]Well I see your bashing of religion, any religion, something you choose to not believe in or are incapable of believing in, to be equally offensive. You seem to have a heck of a negative attitude. Why don't you try something more positive like love or caring? I have read many, many of your posts about you family and so on. Why is it so hard for you to treat others with that same love and respect? Oh thats right - you don't believe.....nevermind - as you were. [off rant]

In no way did I bash religion, sock, I simply bashed a tactic.
No reading comprehension?
There are classes for that.

11-27-2007, 10:37 AM	#35
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Given the usual definitions of the supernatural, I'd say that both would be the default logical position. Agnostic is default because the supernatural can always skip one step ahead of science. You can never state with certainty that something wasn't done supernaturally, but in such a way that it just looks natural. Atheist is default, because absence of belief is the most reasonable course in the absence of evidence. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-27-2007, 10:59 AM	#44
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Wow. Someone just posted "You were right and I was wrong." Wow. The world may not be ending but for me it just gave a quick backflip. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

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11-27-2007, 10:18 AM	#31
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Or we could get into semantics wars over what was supposed to be a joke, something that tickled me...eh. I'm trying to see how you can be both, but if I was wrong I stand corrected.

11-27-2007, 10:24 AM	#33
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	eek I looked it up in wikipedia. There are a thousand types of atheism/agnosticism and levels and now my head spins. You were right, Ibby, I was wrong (no, the world is not ending.)

11-27-2007, 10:37 AM	#34
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Wiki will be the end of true definitions.

11-27-2007, 10:40 AM	#36
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Re: Wiki...It's a quick reference, to me. Though it may not be all correct, I got the info I wanted without wading through theological websites; it was all on one page. Theism is all theory anyway. Before I catch it for that one, I am using the word theory in the usage that refers to "conjecture or speculation" NOT the usage of real science theory. Disclaimers are fun!

11-27-2007, 10:42 AM	#38
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	What Happy Monkey said.

11-27-2007, 10:45 AM	#39
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I agree to some extent.

11-27-2007, 10:54 AM	#40
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Define "extent." Classicman, just messing. I crack myself up, if no one else.

11-27-2007, 10:55 AM	#41
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think you crack up a lot of people - more than you know! Just not all in a good way

11-27-2007, 10:57 AM	#42
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Yeah, that's the problem. I have discernation inefficiency.

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