9 June, 2011: Tornado track

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Coign

....Until we know it is happening, and more importantly know what it is causing it,....

That proof doesn't come from climatologists, that comes from historians... if there's any left.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by blueboy56

Roughly 6.5 billion people on the planet... producing about 6 billion pounds of poo each day,

Wait, back up. Go get a 16-ounce jar of peanut butter or whatever out of your pantry, and weigh it in your hand. You think you produce almost a full pound of feces a day?

[Diaphone Jim]

If you change blueboy's "poo" to "pee and poo," then well over a pound a day is a good estimate.
And with the very correct numbers (and their certain increase) he mentions, then we are totally fucked no matter the climate does or why.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Coign

That is the problem with discussions of climate change right now. It immediately dives into politics right now. Carbon Tax, laws that outlaw incandescent bulbs, subsidiaries for ethanol, and more. There is a reason for governments to fund these papers that slant results to show it is happening so they can push more control, more taxes, and more money into the pockets of the congress/lobbiests backing it.

The problem is the computer models cannot prove or disprove climate change is man-made. And it is not even that they need to prove if it is happening or not, it it proving that carbon dioxide, the stuff that makes plants grow, is the cause of it.

Until we know it is happening, and more importantly know what it is causing it, anything we do to slow/halt/reverse it is just an unnecessary tax/control against an economy that does not have the money to spend.

http://climateaudit.org/2007/11/29/co2-levels/

Also Google "Climategate" and "Steve McIntyre" to get a start on a lot of views that say, "we don't have any proof. We are just now learning more about Climate and how we affect it."

Shall we move the conversation over here?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by BigV

Shall we move the conversation over here?

You mean ...

Originally Posted by classicman

there is this thread ... on that subject.

[BigV]

No, that's not what I meant. I did use your link to get to the end of the thread, where conversation may be continued, so, thanks.

[classicman]

look smartypants... I figured he would appreciate 3 years worth of background before posting -
<yeh right>

[Coign]

Sorry to bring up the climate change in this thread. It just gets my blood pressure up that people threaten me with a carbon tax that each time I see it mentioned I cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

I posted my reply in the suggested thread.