US culture of mass killings - Page 3

DanaC · 01-12-2013, 09:18 AM

....can't leave house due to snowdrifts *snorts*

xoxoxoBruce · 01-12-2013, 09:32 AM

And a lot of french that throw their guns away.

Griff · 01-12-2013, 09:35 AM

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Spexxvet · 01-12-2013, 09:48 AM

anus - LOL

infinite monkey · 01-12-2013, 09:34 AM

Does anyone think that the media coverage of Sandusky and Savile will cause more people to molest children?

Undertoad · 01-12-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Does anyone think that the media coverage of Sandusky and Savile will cause more people to molest children?

Yes.

Sundae · 01-16-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Does anyone think that the media coverage of Sandusky and Savile will cause more people to molest children?

My opinion only. I think sexual desire and sadism is mostly born, not made. And if it is made, it's forged by trauma and pain and hurt.

Subject a child to an upbringing where violence - even gun violence - is the norm then yes, I think the child will be more likely to become violent and use a gun. Subject a child to sexually inapproprite behaviour and I think it will affect the child equally.

Of course there are many. many exceptions. I am not suggesting that an abused child automatically becomes a rapist or paedophile. But children do reflect the the norms they grew up with.

Griff · 01-16-2013, 07:46 AM

Well said Sundae. It is a good time to reflect on our societal norms.

The more I consider it though, the less I see any real solution. The breakdown is along regional and political lines, but the real friction points are not between rural and urban. The friction is in the suburbs. People moved out of the cities to, among other things, escape the violence. The burbs grew up in areas without gun restrictions because there was an existing culture of ownership for hunting and defense of private property in the absence of effective policing. The suburbanites bring their paranoia about other peoples intentions into a once "free" environment. They've set aside all other forms of self-reliance once native to the rural area but cling to the gun as a symbol of self-reliance in a world dominated by under-water mortgages and soccer moms. The people the press would like to put forth as the gun nuts, survivalists and the like, are much more likely to be killed by ATF agents than to go off on a rampage.

infinite monkey · 01-16-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae

My opinion only. I think sexual desire and sadism is mostly born, not made. And if it is made, it's forged by trauma and pain and hurt.

Subject a child to an upbringing where violence - even gun violence - is the norm then yes, I think the child will be more likely to become violent and use a gun. Subject a child to sexually inapproprite behaviour and I think it will affect the child equally.

Of course there are many. many exceptions. I am not suggesting that an abused child automatically becomes a rapist or paedophile. But children do reflect the the norms they grew up with.

Right, but I was addressing the claims that the media is causing more mass killings by reporting them. That's ludicrous in its simplistic attempt to blame something other than guns coming out of our collective ass.

Sundae · 01-16-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Right, but I was addressing the claims that the media is causing more mass killings by reporting them. That's ludicrous in its simplistic attempt to blame something other than guns coming out of our collective ass.

Fair enough. Subtle point I completely missed

Trilby · 01-12-2013, 11:47 AM

heard about the lady who took her gun to her 5 year old's soccer game a few years back (2008?)

yeah, she took that sucker everywhere, even grocery shopping.

Her hubby (parole officer) killed her and then killed himself.

THAT'S irony. You're welcome.

lookout123 · 01-12-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trilby

heard about the lady who took her gun to her 5 year old's soccer game a few years back (2008?)

yeah, she took that sucker everywhere, even grocery shopping.

Her hubby (parole officer) killed her and then killed himself.

THAT'S irony. You're welcome.

I'm not familiar with the story. Did her husband take her weapon and kill her with it? If not, I'm missing the irony.

richlevy · 01-12-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I'm not familiar with the story. Did her husband take her weapon and kill her with it? If not, I'm missing the irony.

She was protecting herself from external threats and missed the internal threat.

ZenGum · 01-12-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

It's also a lot easier to quick ditch a blade than a gun, I would imagine

Yeah, right, "imagine". You ain't foolin no-one, grrrl.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And a lot of french that throw their guns away.

And don't forget, it really slows down a killing spree when you have to apologise to all your victims as you go.

DanaC · 01-12-2013, 01:13 PM

Sexobon, you're on very good form just lately.

01-12-2013, 09:32 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And a lot of french that throw their guns away. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-12-2013, 09:35 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	. Attached Images __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-12-2013, 09:48 AM	#4
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	anus - LOL __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

01-16-2013, 07:46 AM	#8
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Well said Sundae. It is a good time to reflect on our societal norms. The more I consider it though, the less I see any real solution. The breakdown is along regional and political lines, but the real friction points are not between rural and urban. The friction is in the suburbs. People moved out of the cities to, among other things, escape the violence. The burbs grew up in areas without gun restrictions because there was an existing culture of ownership for hunting and defense of private property in the absence of effective policing. The suburbanites bring their paranoia about other peoples intentions into a once "free" environment. They've set aside all other forms of self-reliance once native to the rural area but cling to the gun as a symbol of self-reliance in a world dominated by under-water mortgages and soccer moms. The people the press would like to put forth as the gun nuts, survivalists and the like, are much more likely to be killed by ATF agents than to go off on a rampage. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-12-2013, 11:47 AM	#11
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	heard about the lady who took her gun to her 5 year old's soccer game a few years back (2008?) yeah, she took that sucker everywhere, even grocery shopping. Her hubby (parole officer) killed her and then killed himself. THAT'S irony. You're welcome. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-12-2013, 09:34 AM	#5
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Does anyone think that the media coverage of Sandusky and Savile will cause more people to molest children?

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