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Old 10-21-2019, 05:20 AM   #1
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The Kurds ally themselves with whomever best suits their agenda at the time.
All allies do that. So America's best allies (ie Japan, Britain, Jordan, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel) have started looking elsewhere. With The Don cozying up to Putin, Xi, and Kim; with America backstabbing the Kurds in less than 24 hours, then all those nations and others must reconsider safer options.

When Abe complained about N Korea's unrestricted missile tests that the US all but approved, Trump basically replied the protection of Japanese cities is no longer our concern. Another example of backstabbing an ally.

A major source of American power was once the so many countries that supported and helped America because America was once a trusted ally. No longer in part because so many people even here have contempt for our allies - and what once made America great. A Don will backstab anyone who does not enchant his ego.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:50 AM   #2
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Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:58 AM   #3
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Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?
As I say: if his favorite were doin' the exact same thing, the exact same way, he'd be heapin' praise.

But it's The Don, so it's wrong, it's bad, its crazy, it's dumb.

Also: note how 'moderate' has morphed into 'patriot' and 'extremist' is begining to morph into 'anti-american'. A memo musta been issued by Central Planning advisin' dupes and agents of a marketin' change.
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Old 10-21-2019, 05:27 PM   #4
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Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?
Then you did not comprehend every paragraph. Just as you failed to grasp what are now well proven history (supported by many facts and numbers) before the Mission Accomplished war. I never post like a liar - ie post soundbytes justified by cheapshots. Read everything posted.

We have allies so that all will work to advance mankind. So that the local allies will avert problems long before things get worse. And then we only get involved in rare situations when things go wrong.

Iraq went terribly wrong so many times because George Jf was even teaching politics to its president - the man he approved of even after his advisers said otherwise. He spendtwo hours everyday by satellite. So a 500 man Isis attack routed three Iraqi divisions - maybe 15,000 men. They even abandoned their weapons and ran. An example of why America is still spending massively in a war that already cost well over $3 trillion.

What is the dic licking president doing? He backstabs allies. He praises the enemies of democracy, free speech, honest electronics, world wide declarations, and free trade. He destroys treaties that would advance mankind - ie TPP. He even lies about bringing troops back from Syria. He only makes things worse, He does not even know why a G-7 in Trump's Doral resort is classic corruption. He even lied about divesting himself of those business that are clearly conflicts of interest. (See how he has ordered Millitary transport crews to use his resort in Scotland.)

Do you actually endorse the driving of American allies into the growing sphere of China and Russia. Apparently so. Because you only extracted soundbytes from those previous post. And may not even gasp every necessary paragraph here.

Even Nixon was not that corrupt.

Go back and read those points. Why did the scumbag try to Pearl Harbor Iran? Even George Jr gave reasons why (albeit lies) to justify the Pearl Harboring of Iraq. And yes, we did Pearl Harbor Iraq. We all now know how much of a lie that was. Even Shock and Awe accomplished nothing - was a lie.

Question unasnswered is who was patriotic American enough to avert the Pearl Harboring of Iran only ten minutes before the attack? That disaster was not averted for hours or days? Why then does this big dic leader have a finger on the button? Oh. His best friends are Russia and China. He would rather attack France, South Korea, Turkey, or Japan - nations that accurately criticize him.

We need allies. What ally has the Don not yet disparaged or backstabbed? That list has become quite small.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:10 PM   #5
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"We have allies so that all will work to advance mankind"

Nope. We ally (with comparative equals) to advance mutual national agendas.

The Kurds are warm bodies, charges, proxies, toooools!. They never have been, and they never will be, allies.

If we, some day, get 'round to what they want, well, that's nice, but it ain't a neccessity

[timesaving, anticipated, tw response]: "extremist, emotion, The Don, dic sucker, anti-american, patriot, etcétera"

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Old 10-21-2019, 07:02 PM   #6
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All allies do that. So America's best allies (ie Japan, Britain, Jordan, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel) have started looking elsewhere. With The Don cozying up to Putin, Xi, and Kim; with America backstabbing the Kurds in less than 24 hours, then all those nations and others must reconsider safer options.
That's the conventional wisdom; however, it doesn't jibe with The Donald's esoteric eccentricity. Trump has a business model that he uses as a template for the world and his business, the USA.

Countries that expect the USA to provide security for them are viewed as employees (like commercial businesses provide employees with financial security). A business CEO can have expectations of employees. There may be rifts. Unions may even organize. If the competition gets stiff; however, they'll all pull together again so the business can survive. Everyone knows what's at stake.

Countries that don't expect the USA to provide security for them are viewed as other businesses (like commercial businesses are financially independent). A business CEO has no expectations of other businesses and has to do what it takes to attract them. There may be contracts. There may be cooperatives. If the business doesn't do what it takes to remain attractive to other businesses; however, they can be pushed apart again. Everyone knows what's at stake.

Groups of people who aren't countries are viewed as temps (like temporary workers from a commercial staffing agency). A business CEO has very limited expectations of temps. There may be pay; but, no benefits. There may be a job; but, no career. When the CEO no longer wants temps, the business simply goes on without them the very next day. Everyone knows they had no stake in each other.

Allied countries, non-allied countries, and groups of people that don't comprise countries (e.g. Kurds) are experiencing Trump's mystery diplomacy. Trump's methodologies are unconventional; so, those going with the conventional wisdom are going to be jumping to the wrong conclusions. It's to be expected from those who don't have related insights.
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Old 10-22-2019, 04:26 AM   #7
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That's the conventional wisdom; however, it doesn't jibe with The Donald's esoteric eccentricity. Trump has a business model that he uses as a template for the world and his business, the USA.
Problem lies in his business models. No company need make any money. His long history is to screw customers and contractors. Cohen's job, as his lawyer, was to tell contractors that they would not be paid. Eventually they might get 40 cents on the dollar after a lawsuit.

What does that say about all American allies? Can the Kurds sue?
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Old 10-22-2019, 05:50 PM   #8
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America just surrendered again today.

Surrender 2: The scumbag Don said Turkey would only occupy a tiny 18 mile sliver of Syria along the Turkey border. Well Turkey made a deal with what apparently is their future new ally - Russia. Russian and Turks will ethic cleanse the entire border some 30 miles into Syria. Russian and Turk (allied forces) will patrol that region forever.

Turks can trust the Russian leader. They do not trust the anti-American president. But then only people such as the KKK, White Supremacists and Nazis do.

Surrender 3: The anti-America president said American soldiers will fight Daesh from inside Iraq. Because his ego tells him what to think, then he forgot to ask Iraq's permission. Today, Iraq said those American troops will be expelled.

Why? Everyone in the world knows that Trump has contempt for all America allies that do not praise his ego. Iraq knows who is surrendering and who is the new power: Russia. Iraq must now cozy up to Russia who is more than willing to replace a massive power vacuum created by people who voted for Trump.

How many more surrenders are ongoing? Over in the western Pacific were once many countries allied and cooperating in a unified defense. Those agreements are now being terminated since nations fear that being allies with America is now dangerous. Trump will sacrifice anyone to enhance his ego.

For example, S Korea and Japan once shared intelligence for mutual defense. That stops this month. The anti-American president said it is now acceptable for N Korea to have missiles that can nuke S Korean and Japanese cities. Without TPP, there is no reason to those nations to cooperate or to formalize a western Pacific Nato. They know who is moving in to fill a massive power vacuum.

Wacko extremists say this is good. Because it 'wrecks shit'.

Moderates would never surrender everywhere. Extremists do.

The wackos here will insult this poster rather than deal with reality. These anti-American Trump voters cannot admit that Trump has "made America surrender again" - MASA.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:07 PM   #9
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America just surrendered again today.

Mother told me, yes, she told me I'd meet girls like you.
She also told me, "stay away, you'll never know what you'll catch."
Just the other day I heard a soldier falling off some Indonesian junk that's going round.

Mommy's alright, daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Father says, "your mother's right, she's really up on things."
"before we married, mommy served in the wacs in the Philippines."
Now, I had heard the wacs recruited old maids for the war.
But mommy isn't one of those, I've known her all these years.

Mommy's alright, daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Whatever happened to all this season's losers of the year?
Every time I got to thinking, where'd they disappear?
When I woke up, mom and dad are rolling on the couch.
Rolling numbers, rock and rolling, got my kiss records out.

Mommy's alright, daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don't give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Away.
Away.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:31 PM   #10
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This guy must have The Cellar on speed dial. He replies in minutes so that we can all be ordered how to think. Then posts insults like a child rather than facts like an adult.

I thought that was The Donald's job to lie. Since he knows more than the generals, scientists, lawyers, weathermen, teachers, police, congressmen, real estate professionals, American allies, and Einstein. Well he did not list the last one yet. But he will.

Apparently an extremist here is trying to steal The Don's job.
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Old 10-22-2019, 06:58 PM   #11
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"ordered how to think"

I can't direct that which ain't happenin', tommy...

Ever since I was a young boy
I've played the silver ball
From Soho down to Brighton
I must have played them all
But I ain't seen nothing like him
In any amusement hall
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

He stands like a statue,
Becomes part of the machine
Feeling all the bumpers
Always playing clean
He plays by intuition,
The digit counters fall
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

He's a pin ball wizard
There has got to be a twist
A pin ball wizard,
S'got such a supple wrist

How do you think he does it? I don't know!
What makes him so good?

He ain't got no distractions
Can't hear those buzzers and bells
Don't see lights a flashin'
Plays by sense of smell
Always gets a replay
Never seen him fall
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Sure plays a mean pin ball!

I thought I was
The Bally table king
But I just handed
My pin ball crown to him

Even on my favorite table
He can beat my best
His disciples lead him in
And he just does the rest
He's got crazy flipper fingers
Never seen him fall
That deaf dumb and blind kind
Sure plays a mean pin ball!
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Old 10-24-2019, 10:59 AM   #12
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The Don has again told his disciples how great he is. He will build his wall in Colorado. He said it will be the best wall ever built because he is a greatest builder. It will be a mile high.

He did not lie - believe it or not. For the benefit of Trump worshippers, that wall will be a mile high above sea level.

Then we will forget about the ethnic cleansing of Kurds in Syria. The Don says all that will be good. He also says no Kurds are dying. Probably because they can continue living in heaven.
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Old 10-25-2019, 09:39 AM   #13
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Now the scumbag president wants to go back into Syria to protect oil wells. The Russians responded by bluntly ordering the defeated American army out. So now the emotional White House wants to deploy armor to protect those oil wells.

He assumed Iraq will go along with it. He assumes that he has any credibility in the world. He only knows how to get Americans killed for no purpose.

Back to the musical interlude provided by a Russian sympathizer.
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Old 10-25-2019, 11:46 AM   #14
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From Russia with love, I fly to you
Much wiser since my goodbye to you
I've travelled the world to learn
I must return
From Russia with love
I've seen places, faces
And smile for a moment
But, oh, you haunted me so
Still, my tongue tied young bride
Would not let my love for you show
In case you'd say "No"
To Russia I flew but there and then
I suddenly knew you'd care again
My running around is through
I'd fly to you
From Russia with love
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