Defy this age of sarcasm!

[busterb]

Hell! I'm lost also. Maybe on purpose?

[plthijinx]

sniff sniff, did someone just shit in my airplane and bail out?

what a dork.

don't worry CH & bust, i was a day late and a buck short too....

[cowhead]

eh? what can you do? KEEP POSTING!!! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA! in the mainc sort of way..

[mrnoodle]

feh. that's not just in utopia. that's in this country as well. Guns Are Bad™ is this generation's Just Say No. Utterly useless and illogical, but when adhered to, gives one the feeling of Doing Something About The Crime Problem.

Initial Caps Are Fun.

[cowhead]

sorry.. like the Anarchists.. sorry but when everyone is 'equal' the ones with the most teststerone and guns will be telling the rest of us what to do... since no-one will duel me with a sword. I keep a gun.. yeah the bullets are in the car... but... if someone breaks in... oh lordy will they have a suprise! (took 4 years of fencing, until I broke my wrist in a duel.. worth every bit of it too! great fight!)

[Troubleshooter]

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't.

Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle. There's only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. - P.J. O'Rourke

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who didn't.

Freedom is not empowerment. Empowerment is what the Serbs have in Bosnia. Anybody can grab a gun and be empowered. It's not entitlement. An entitlement is what people on welfare get, and how free are they? It's not an endlessly expanding list of rights -- the 'right' to education, the 'right' to health care, the 'right' to food and housing. That's not freedom, that's dependency. Those aren't rights, those are the rations of slavery -- hay and a barn for human cattle. There's only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. - P.J. O'Rourke

Ooh.. I LIKE that one. I'll have to add it to my quotes list. Basically the last couple of sentences:

"There's only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences. "

That's what's missing...taking the consequences.

[lookout123]

angus if you are serious, then welcome to the cellar. but before you judge our behaviour, you may want to remember that you are an unknown commodity and you introduced yourself by scolding people for having a sense of humor, in the philosophy forum without any philosophizing to boot. what did you expect?

[dar512]

There is a difference between being sarcastic and skeptical.

Count me skeptical.

A Tulsa Today article on Prince Lazarus.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Angus

...they were morons. It is, and I'm not joking, the same line of conformity that leads to... ultimately the election of George Bush.

Well, you're certainly right on that count.

Edit: am person who agrees with mrnoodle about some people giving points for the witchburning/holocaust/georgebush thing.

[lookout123]

the only problem with us saying cool about a new society is that it must a viable idea, and not smell like a scam being perpetrated by a known con artist and using Ayn Rand to say "see it will work".

and the cellar isn't about everybody ganging up on someone who is different. (that is just a side benefit ) each and every one of us sticks our necks out with unpopular ideas on a fairly regular basis - and we get jabbed for it. you were gently jabbed and got all bent out of shape and decided that the martyr card was your most viable option. sorry, doesn't work.

if you've got some "new" idea that you want others to appreciate and support, you had better be prepared to convince the world why it is better than out current framework. temper tantrums don't accomplish that.

[lookout123]

wait, wait - i can't count that fast! too many red herrings!!!

ok, i'm better now. don't make this about society. this is about you. this is about your desire to be different, without the ramifications that different brings. i think that is about it.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by Angus

Thank you for having me. It is time to repair to the BatCave for some serious drinking. And American Idol on the big screen. Adieu.

You drink?

It's great to be batshit, just ask me. The problem is, run-of-the-mill tortured artist syndrome isn't true crazy. Weariness. I dismiss your weariness as an unwillingness to back up your spiel. I'm sure Lord Lazarus the Benevolent does the same thing if he finds an audience that questions his motives -- cuts and runs.

Stay and play. Pwease?

[lookout123]

and because my marriage ended today.

now see there - that is something that, if you had chosen to address it, would have provoked words of encouragement, support, and concern. if you look around the cellar, you will find quite a bit of that. many of us have experience in this area, and can sympathize. many cellarites have experience in the arts as poets, writers, musicians, tape thingamajig makers, etc. they make fair and for the most compassionate critics if they think your are really looking for input. most cellarites are just looking for some conversation, and if it's been awhile for you, i can assure you that most circles of friends specialize in the fine art of ridicule. welcome to the cellar. if this is a recipe for a community you'd like to belong to, then pull up a seat, absorb the sights and sounds. LJ will be along to administer the test. oh yeah, don't feed the wolf.

as far as the grand poobah of send-me-all-your-money island? whatever.