1/30/2006: Caning - Page 3

Karenv · 01-30-2006, 08:05 PM

No one said it was 100 strokes, and it is over clothing.

But people in fact do survive 100 strokes. They better have friends to bandage them up though.

warch · 01-30-2006, 08:12 PM

Human rights trumps tradition.

Aliantha · 01-30-2006, 08:17 PM

And every western or Christian society is totally free of sin as far as human rights are concerned?

Aliantha · 01-30-2006, 09:48 PM

It's a paradox. You can't have good without bad. If there's no bad, then what is good? nothing! The only difference is perspective.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-30-2006, 11:07 PM

At least the Puritans would strip them to the waist first.

Tonchi · 01-31-2006, 01:19 AM

What about the Moonies, Wolf? Sun Yoon Moon or whatever the fat little crook is named.

Never mind, in opening your chart I see they have him listed as the most recent cult leader. Rather strange to see the Moonies listed as Christians, though

wolf · 01-31-2006, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonchi

What about the Moonies, Wolf? Sun Yoon Moon or whatever the fat little crook is named.

Never mind, in opening your chart I see they have him listed as the most recent cult leader. Rather strange to see the Moonies listed as Christians, though

Moonies are ostensibly Christian, with some added wierd beliefs regarding the divinity of Rev. Moon. It will be interesting to see whether the cult survives him.

dar512 · 01-31-2006, 01:34 PM

Salvation Army is a religion?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-31-2006, 04:58 PM

Why not?....every time I read about them I say, "Aw, fer Christ's sake".

mitheral · 02-01-2006, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonchi

Never mind, in opening your chart I see they have him listed as the most recent cult leader. Rather strange to see the Moonies listed as Christians, though

They self identify as Christian.

gaidin · 01-31-2006, 01:27 AM

the lady in the back with the mic is freestyling.....i heard she's about to get a big record deal she's got the streets goin crazy

capnhowdy · 01-31-2006, 05:37 AM

Why don't she just refuse the beating? She is not bound in shackles. What would they do... lock her up? I would choose that before I'd let some masked asshole flog me in public. IMO this is just more evidence that these people are a bunch of brainwashed idiots. Thank God for the USA.

moonspider666 · 01-31-2006, 07:21 AM

i glad i live in the good ol' USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trilby · 01-31-2006, 07:56 AM

opium is also the opium of the masses.

mickja1 · 01-31-2006, 08:46 AM

Permit me a small soapbox.

It's disheartening to read many of the replies here. The problem isn't with Islam or Judaism or Christianity, the problem is with man. We are naturally inclined toward evil. Isaiah said, 'the heart is desperately wicked, who can understand it?'

Even in our well-meaning attempts to please Allah or Jehovah or God we contaminate religion with our own sinfulness. That is how the Jews put Jesus on the cross. That is how the crusades happened. That is how a group of radical fundamentalists justfied bringing the World Trade Center towers down. That is how Chris is led to pray to a patron saint to help him find his watch. And that is how this woman is publicly beaten.

I object to the idea that moral right or wrong vary from one culture or religion to another. Now what is acceptable behavior varies, but moral law does not. Everyone is pre-programmed to know that Adolf Hitler was not a nice man. There is absolute truth, and it is specified clearly in the Bible.

The answer to our sinfulness is outside ourselves. It doesn't revolve around us being good and following rules, but in throwing ourselves at the feet of someone who has the authority and the gumption to forgive our sins past, present, and future. Jesus, as the holy son of God, has both the authority (he is God's son) and the gumption (he loves us).

God must punish sin to satisfy his holiness. He would not be a good God if he left sin unpunished. Think for a moment about the parents of a child who was raped and murdered. They need God to exact justice. This is an extreme example I know, but what would it say about God if he turned a blind eye to something like that? Well all sin is that offensive to God (who is holy).

The real mystery is that Jesus, in dying on the cross, took the *penalty* for all our sin. God is now free to lavish his love on us and satisfy his holy justice (Jesus after all bore the punishment for all of us) at the same time, to those who will 'repent' (come seeking mercy).

So you see any religion (even what passes for Christianity) that relies upon self effort (trying to live by rules to be better) is pointless. We can never be good enough, and we will eventually have to pay for our sins. The only religion I know of that doesn't rely on self is faith in Christ. That is the difference.

Soapbox speech complete.

As an aside, it is also amusing to observe that religious tolerance extends to all religions, except of course, Christianity. What is it about Jesus that still offends people today?

01-30-2006, 08:17 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	And every western or Christian society is totally free of sin as far as human rights are concerned? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-30-2006, 09:48 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It's a paradox. You can't have good without bad. If there's no bad, then what is good? nothing! The only difference is perspective. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-30-2006, 11:07 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	At least the Puritans would strip them to the waist first. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-31-2006, 01:19 AM	#6
Tonchi Victim of gravity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hiding in plain sight Posts: 1,412	What about the Moonies, Wolf? Sun Yoon Moon or whatever the fat little crook is named. Never mind, in opening your chart I see they have him listed as the most recent cult leader. Rather strange to see the Moonies listed as Christians, though __________________ Everything you've ever heard about Fresno is true. Last edited by Tonchi; 01-31-2006 at 01:27 AM.

01-31-2006, 01:34 PM	#8
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Salvation Army is a religion? __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

01-30-2006, 08:05 PM	#1
Karenv Slacker Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 144	No one said it was 100 strokes, and it is over clothing. But people in fact do survive 100 strokes. They better have friends to bandage them up though.

01-30-2006, 08:12 PM	#2
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Human rights trumps tradition.

01-31-2006, 04:58 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Why not?....every time I read about them I say, "Aw, fer Christ's sake". __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-31-2006, 01:27 AM	#11
gaidin Complex Simpleton Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 18	the lady in the back with the mic is freestyling.....i heard she's about to get a big record deal she's got the streets goin crazy

01-31-2006, 05:37 AM	#12
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Why don't she just refuse the beating? She is not bound in shackles. What would they do... lock her up? I would choose that before I'd let some masked asshole flog me in public. IMO this is just more evidence that these people are a bunch of brainwashed idiots. Thank God for the USA. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

01-31-2006, 07:21 AM	#13
moonspider666 Complex Simpleton Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: wv,usa Posts: 18	i glad i live in the good ol' USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-31-2006, 07:56 AM	#14
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	opium is also the opium of the masses. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-31-2006, 08:46 AM	#15
mickja1 I'm from the Midwest Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 19	Permit me a small soapbox. It's disheartening to read many of the replies here. The problem isn't with Islam or Judaism or Christianity, the problem is with man. We are naturally inclined toward evil. Isaiah said, 'the heart is desperately wicked, who can understand it?' Even in our well-meaning attempts to please Allah or Jehovah or God we contaminate religion with our own sinfulness. That is how the Jews put Jesus on the cross. That is how the crusades happened. That is how a group of radical fundamentalists justfied bringing the World Trade Center towers down. That is how Chris is led to pray to a patron saint to help him find his watch. And that is how this woman is publicly beaten. I object to the idea that moral right or wrong vary from one culture or religion to another. Now what is acceptable behavior varies, but moral law does not. Everyone is pre-programmed to know that Adolf Hitler was not a nice man. There is absolute truth, and it is specified clearly in the Bible. The answer to our sinfulness is outside ourselves. It doesn't revolve around us being good and following rules, but in throwing ourselves at the feet of someone who has the authority and the gumption to forgive our sins past, present, and future. Jesus, as the holy son of God, has both the authority (he is God's son) and the gumption (he loves us). God must punish sin to satisfy his holiness. He would not be a good God if he left sin unpunished. Think for a moment about the parents of a child who was raped and murdered. They need God to exact justice. This is an extreme example I know, but what would it say about God if he turned a blind eye to something like that? Well all sin is that offensive to God (who is holy). The real mystery is that Jesus, in dying on the cross, took the penalty for all our sin. God is now free to lavish his love on us and satisfy his holy justice (Jesus after all bore the punishment for all of us) at the same time, to those who will 'repent' (come seeking mercy). So you see any religion (even what passes for Christianity) that relies upon self effort (trying to live by rules to be better) is pointless. We can never be good enough, and we will eventually have to pay for our sins. The only religion I know of that doesn't rely on self is faith in Christ. That is the difference. Soapbox speech complete. As an aside, it is also amusing to observe that religious tolerance extends to all religions, except of course, Christianity. What is it about Jesus that still offends people today?

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