Wall Street Protests

[Lamplighter]

Sam, were you just being ironic with that link ?



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[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Sam, were you just being ironic with that link ?



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Yep. When I originally bookmarked it, it was a form to send an e-mail to the Representative in question. Then when I tried to click on it later - poof! It had vanished. Go figure.

Say, wasn't that in the Third Party thread?

[Pico and ME]

He's not divisive, he just has a strong viewpoint and a strong following. Fahrenheit 9/11 was the highest-grossing documentary of all time, and Bowling for Columbine and Sicko also place in the top ten highest-grossing documentaries. If you truly listened to him you might even agree with him sometimes.

The people who hate him aren't ever gonna listen anyway. You know, people like merc.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

He's not divisive, he just has a strong viewpoint and a strong following. Fahrenheit 9/11 was the highest-grossing documentary of all time, and Bowling for Columbine and Sicko also place in the top ten highest-grossing documentaries.

Whereas he did not identify the underlying details, Michael Moore did identify the overall attitude and symptoms that would finally result in a GM bankruptcy. The documentary was called Roger and Me. It showed consequences of those major and ignored problems. Including the ridiculous solutions implemented to accomplish nothing.

Sometimes serious problems take that long to be corrected by bankruptcy. Eastman Kodak is an ongoing example of how long problems can be ignored until even the spread sheets finally identify it. Moore had accurately identified or discussed many serious problems. Some of those problems would rather be ignored by many as non- problems or someone else's problem.

[classicman]

He is extremely divisive. How well his movies did has zero to do with that.
I do agree with him on some things. Again, irrelevant.

[tw]

This is probably SamIam's missing Call to Action.

[SamIam]

LOL! Are we all having trouble with links today or what?

[classicman]

try this one
She just put it in wrong.

ETA - missed the posts in between ... AGAIN.

[sexobon]

The White House is looking for ideas on how to create jobs without going through Congress. If you have any, you can now submit them directly:

From: Nancy-Ann DeParle, The White House (info@messages.whitehouse.gov)
Date: Friday, November 04, 2011 3:28 PM
To: [sign up distribution]
Subject: You Tell Me

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[ZenGum]

The message?

There are lots of specific things that people are angry about, which does lead to this 'no clear message' appearance.

Most of these specific complaints can be traced back to the way the political arm of government (as opposed to the administrative arm) is functioning (or disfunctioning) at present.

And this is traced back to one complaint that almost everyone at the Occupy movements seems to share. The super-rich have too much influence in politics - so much that they have essentially taken control and are running it for themselves. The majority of western governments, which are supposed to be various kinds of democratic republics, have been corrupted into plutocracies with regular show elections.

Most people accept that money will always bring influence, and that this cannot be eliminated entirely. However, it CAN be reduced, in some cases by a great deal. This, I think, is the core demand of the Occupy movement.


tl;dr version: Less plutocracy, more democracy.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

The message?

There are lots of specific things that people are angry about, which does lead to this 'no clear message' appearance.

Most of these specific complaints can be traced back to the way the political arm of government (as opposed to the administrative arm) is functioning (or disfunctioning) at present.

And this is traced back to one complaint that almost everyone at the Occupy movements seems to share. The super-rich have too much influence in politics - so much that they have essentially taken control and are running it for themselves. The majority of western governments, which are supposed to be various kinds of democratic republics, have been corrupted into plutocracies with regular show elections.

Most people accept that money will always bring influence, and that this cannot be eliminated entirely. However, it CAN be reduced, in some cases by a great deal. This, I think, is the core demand of the Occupy movement.


tl;dr version: Less plutocracy, more democracy.

Exactly!

[classicman]

Then they all better start going after their governmental reps and stop wasting time on wall street and/or whatever. THAT is where the change will have to come from.
The Big bad corp execs will laugh at them in the cold rain and snow.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by classicman

Then they all better start going after their governmental reps and stop wasting time on wall street and/or whatever. THAT is where the change will have to come from.
The Big bad corp execs will laugh at them in the cold rain and snow.

What good would it do to go after the government reps? In my experience, they hardly even ever read any letters I send them. Now and then I'll get a form letter for reply.

My congressman isn't going to listen to me. I can't afford to put a few crisp new thousand dollar bills in the envelope along with my letter.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by SamIam

What good would it do to go after the government reps?

They're the ones who can enact change.
You really think a thousand people out front of their office is gonna be ignored? F*kkers gotta leave sometime...

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by classicman

They're the ones who can enact change.
You really think a thousand people out front of their office is gonna be ignored? F*kkers gotta leave sometime...

Of course they won't be ignored. The Senator or Congressman will simply lift up his phone, and before you can even shout "freedom," SWAT will be there in force with tear gas and tasers as well as their guns. The next day you'll read in the paper how terrorists tried to take over Senator Slimebelly's office, but thank God they were captured and are now being questioned at Gitmo which has been reopened for just such an eventuality.