Do You Own a Gun?

[Yznhymr]

I've been called much worse. I'm such a little...well, ya know...

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Pierce, I'd say it's time for you to read your von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. His argument that both fascism and communism are things of the left is very solidly made, in his Leftism Revisited. He was an unabashed fan of monarchy, particularly the House of Habsburg. YMMV, though.

And really, when it comes to fascism, alleging fascists are rightwingers is nearly meaningless. It is perhaps instructive to consider that Soviet Russian propagandists, not wanting to have to explain to anybody how International Socialism -- Good, while National Socialism -- Bad, picked the distinctive term Hitlerites -- "Gitlerovtsy" -- for the Nazis.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Pierce, I'd say it's time for you to read your von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. His argument that both fascism and communism are things of the left is very solidly made, in his Leftism Revisited. He was an unabashed fan of monarchy, particularly the House of Habsburg. YMMV, though.

And really, when it comes to fascism, alleging fascists are rightwingers is nearly meaningless. It is perhaps instructive to consider that Soviet Russian propagandists, not wanting to have to explain to anybody how International Socialism -- Good, while National Socialism -- Bad, picked the distinctive term Hitlerites -- "Gitlerovtsy" -- for the Nazis.

I will read him when I get the chance but can you recommend one work that will get the point you are trying to make across the best?

[Ibby]

DUH, pierce! Dont you know, capitalism is never wrong - all the other stuff that LOOKS like capitalist mistakes are actually not capitalist at all, you people-hating monster!

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Ibram

DUH, pierce! Dont you know, capitalism is never wrong - all the other stuff that LOOKS like capitalist mistakes are actually not capitalist at all, you people-hating monster!

How ironic that in your attempt to be sarcastic, you actually said something that was true. Capitalism is never wrong.

Slavery on the other hand doesn't even look like capitalism to those who know what capitalism actually is.

[Cicero]

Hi everyone...you know.....again.
I'm too moody to own a gun........I'll admit it.
I've been out to the shooting range several times, and I'm not a bad shot.......It just seems like when I have a gun in my hand other people look very very nervous. And I think to myself- there must be a good reason for that.
Besides, i've been lucky enough so far to "do the do" without one. My aggressors have always lost sorely, and none of them have had a gun. I also don't believe that any of them deserved to die. Of course I thought so at the time, but in retrospect, I think they deserve exactly what they got. No more and no less.

Slavery is about keeping them alive to work, not killing them... cannot be called a genocide. Africans being captured and sold by Africans to whomever would buy them, just as many Europeans as Americans. Not a genocide.
WWII Germany Capitalist!? there was nothing remotely free about that system, nationalizing all the banks and manufacturing ROTFL!... DUDE Pierce, you are so funny... I love reading your stuff, makes my day!
You don't believe in freedom, just own it man.

[piercehawkeye45]

This is pointless. I'm not going to argue with someone who actually believes capitalism is never wrong. It isn't worth it.

Slavery is about keeping them alive to work, not killing them... cannot be called a genocide. Africans being captured and sold by Africans to whomever would buy them, just as many Europeans as Americans. Not a genocide.

Since 1/3 of the blacks that came on slave ships died I'm pretty sure they did a pretty bad job at it. They didn't care if they died or not because they could always get more. When 16 million die that can easily be counted as a genocide. The killing of the culture plays a role in it as well.

[Undertoad]

It's not very useful to consider anything pre-industrial revolution to be Capitalism as we know it. Certainly nothing before 1776 when Adam Smith published "The Wealth of Nations". Probably nothing until Marx came along to define what it was not. Hard to say what the economics was, in the days when most ships sailed under the direction of Kings.

[piercehawkeye45]

I forgot to reply to this earlier but radar and rage, read this carefully then re-read it about five more times because you two don't seem to get it.

I believe rights are made by society and that is what helps keep us in order. I follow and respect most rights that are made by our society. I will never hurt anyone, make someone do something against their will like slavery, or force my ideals upon anyone else.

If you do not understand what I just said, don't bother because you never will.

[Yznhymr]

The Middle Passage is supposed to be a good book related to this discussion. I haven't found time to read it, yet. However, I found a website here that has good info for inquiring minds.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I forgot to reply to this earlier but radar and rage, read this carefully then re-read it about five more times because you two don't seem to get it.

I believe rights are made by society and that is what helps keep us in order. I follow and respect most rights that are made by our society. I will never hurt anyone, make someone do something against their will like slavery, or force my ideals upon anyone else.

If you do not understand what I just said, don't bother because you never will.

that's why they call it dope, bub.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I forgot to reply to this earlier but radar and rage, read this carefully then re-read it about five more times because you two don't seem to get it.

I believe rights are made by society and that is what helps keep us in order. I follow and respect most rights that are made by our society. I will never hurt anyone, make someone do something against their will like slavery, or force my ideals upon anyone else.

If you do not understand what I just said, don't bother because you never will.

I have always understood what your pathetic beliefs are. They are just based in stupidity, ignorance, and have no basis in fact or logic. They are completely stupid. Rights don't come from society. You can claim that all you like, but every time you say it, you are lying and I'll call you on it. Rights weren't created by people; every time you say it, you're lying and I'll call you on it. Rights can't be taken away, given away, or voted away; every time you claim otherwise, you are lying and I'll call you on it. If you don't understand this, you're a waste of human flesh and don't deserve to live...but we knew that already.

Your beliefs are irrelevant. You've been presented with FACTS and you still deny them. This is pure stupidity, dishonesty, and willful ignorance. There are people who believe Hitler was a nice guy, but those people are no more or less full of shit than you. There are people who think raping children is ok. They are no more or less full of shit than you.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

. I will never hurt anyone, make someone do something against their will like slavery, or force my ideals upon anyone else.

What kind of sneakers do you wear? Where do all of your clothes come from? Are you positive that something you purchased through normal trade (supported by the almighty evil capitalism) was not created at the hands of someone who was working against their will, forced into situations that they you would otherwise consider slavery?

In order to say that you think capitalism is wrong and that you want no parts of it, I would strongly suggest that you be ready to remove yourself from the grid totally - because the more you benefit from it - and as much as you may hate to admit to yourself that you do....really, you do. I heard being naked in a cave with only yourself for company is a wonderful way to live.

Genocide denotes intent.