John Kerry taking dubious page from Howard Dean's book - Page 4

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-01-2006, 07:51 PM

J. Foot-in-Mouth Kerry has lost the military vote. Again.

Schadenfreude, Goetterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium...

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 07:54 PM

If you understand what he's said he's not even implying that people in the military are stupid.

He's implying that it's stupid decisions that put the military into wars. Specifically the war in Iraq.

However, if people are too stupid to see that, then I guess maybe they should be better educated...or at least learn how to critically analyse text.

Ibby · 11-01-2006, 07:58 PM

His point was that BUSH is stupid, not the military.

Though since Bush is the Commander in Chief, the entity that is the Military is stupid, not neccessarily the people IN it.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-01-2006, 08:12 PM

They (the totalitarian-symp Left) told us Reagan was stupid too. Apparently on the grounds that Reagan conceived what no President before him had: that communism was to be defeated, and how it should be done.

George W. Bush is clearly thinking the same way. I applaud this. When totalitarians no longer exist, how much of the world's misery will have fled? The big problem is one of logistics: bringing up enough bullets, shells, napalm, perhaps nukes, to wipe them out. I do not care how they die, so long as they either die or convert to genuine democrats. If you're a totalitarian, you have zero business in politics. Leave rulership to people more enlightened than yourself -- and less sociopathic.

I mean, wouldn't that be heaven on Earth? (I'm not persuaded of that, either, but it can hardly fail to be closer.)

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 08:15 PM

communism is the flip side of democracy. If you don't have communism, there is no democracy. If you remove communism as it is now, then what will you do? Start telling people who are 'less democratic' than you that they should choose to be 'more democratic'?

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 08:16 PM

Obviously Regan failed in his quest as will Bush or whatever government comes after his.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-01-2006, 08:36 PM

Communism is not the "flip side." It is a classist, ancient European style of oppression of the populace by the rulers. American democracy, as merely the latest effort at democracy, preexisted communism.

Half-democracy is more than half a dictatorship. There is no reason to object to getting or causing greater and greater democracy anywhere. The more nearly a society approaches a libertarian democracy of some description -- ours, and yours, are not direct democracies, but republics of the democratic persuasion (republics tend that way), owing generally to the scale of the endeavor: we delegate the political power that comes of the people, the electorate, to our sundry Representatives, Senators, and Members of Parliament.

WabUfvot5 · 11-01-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The average military person's IQ is 8 points above the average American's.

What's the average Americans IQ when you take out all the mentally deficient? Last I knew the army wasn't quite desperate enough to let the mentally retarded in while Burger King does.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 08:54 PM

Many people argue that even with a democracy 'the people' still have little or no voice and that decisions are made based not on what the people want, but on what the government tells them they want.

Radar · 11-01-2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

J. Foot-in-Mouth Kerry has lost the military vote. Again.

Schadenfreude, Goetterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium...

John Kerry isn't running for office right now, and even if he were, he wouldn't lose the military vote. In fact MOST of the veterans I've spoken to in the last few day (a few dozen) agree with him, especially the combat vets.

Radar · 11-01-2006, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

They (the totalitarian-symp Left) told us Reagan was stupid too. Apparently on the grounds that Reagan conceived what no President before him had: that communism was to be defeated, and how it should be done.

George W. Bush is clearly thinking the same way. I applaud this. When totalitarians no longer exist, how much of the world's misery will have fled? The big problem is one of logistics: bringing up enough bullets, shells, napalm, perhaps nukes, to wipe them out. I do not care how they die, so long as they either die or convert to genuine democrats. If you're a totalitarian, you have zero business in politics. Leave rulership to people more enlightened than yourself -- and less sociopathic.

I mean, wouldn't that be heaven on Earth? (I'm not persuaded of that, either, but it can hardly fail to be closer.)

George W. Bush doesn't think the same way as Reagan, he thinks the same way as the communists Reagan wanted to beat.....if he thinks at all, which his supporters do not.

Elspode · 11-02-2006, 02:09 PM

I don't think these guys got it, either, but that's okay. It was a dumb thing to say, period, no matter what he meant. Doofus.

MaggieL · 11-02-2006, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

However, if people are too stupid to see that, then I guess maybe they should be better educated...or at least learn how to critically analyse text.

Unfortunately that's not what he actually said.

Since he claims that he meant something other than what he actually said, misunderstandings are hardly something you can blame on the listener's lack of education.

Kerry was originally acclaimed for being a magnificent orator...he seems to have trouble working without a script now.

I think he's a cargo-cult JFK wannabe.

MaggieL · 11-02-2006, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

MaggieL knows all, sees all....

Maggie reads the news wires.

You know that old PSA..."Reading is Fun-damental".

Happy Monkey · 11-02-2006, 06:37 PM

What he did say can be interpreted in the way he intended (George Bush got stuck in Iraq, figuratively), and that interpretation is supported by the context.

Taken out of context, that meaning certainly isn't the first one that comes to mind, so it's good he clarified.

11-01-2006, 07:51 PM	#46
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	J. Foot-in-Mouth Kerry has lost the military vote. Again. Schadenfreude, Goetterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium... __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-01-2006, 07:54 PM	#47
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	If you understand what he's said he's not even implying that people in the military are stupid. He's implying that it's stupid decisions that put the military into wars. Specifically the war in Iraq. However, if people are too stupid to see that, then I guess maybe they should be better educated...or at least learn how to critically analyse text. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 07:58 PM	#48
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	His point was that BUSH is stupid, not the military. Though since Bush is the Commander in Chief, the entity that is the Military is stupid, not neccessarily the people IN it. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-01-2006, 08:12 PM	#49
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	They (the totalitarian-symp Left) told us Reagan was stupid too. Apparently on the grounds that Reagan conceived what no President before him had: that communism was to be defeated, and how it should be done. George W. Bush is clearly thinking the same way. I applaud this. When totalitarians no longer exist, how much of the world's misery will have fled? The big problem is one of logistics: bringing up enough bullets, shells, napalm, perhaps nukes, to wipe them out. I do not care how they die, so long as they either die or convert to genuine democrats. If you're a totalitarian, you have zero business in politics. Leave rulership to people more enlightened than yourself -- and less sociopathic. I mean, wouldn't that be heaven on Earth? (I'm not persuaded of that, either, but it can hardly fail to be closer.) __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-01-2006, 08:15 PM	#50
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	communism is the flip side of democracy. If you don't have communism, there is no democracy. If you remove communism as it is now, then what will you do? Start telling people who are 'less democratic' than you that they should choose to be 'more democratic'? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 08:16 PM	#51
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Obviously Regan failed in his quest as will Bush or whatever government comes after his. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 08:36 PM	#52
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Communism is not the "flip side." It is a classist, ancient European style of oppression of the populace by the rulers. American democracy, as merely the latest effort at democracy, preexisted communism. Half-democracy is more than half a dictatorship. There is no reason to object to getting or causing greater and greater democracy anywhere. The more nearly a society approaches a libertarian democracy of some description -- ours, and yours, are not direct democracies, but republics of the democratic persuasion (republics tend that way), owing generally to the scale of the endeavor: we delegate the political power that comes of the people, the electorate, to our sundry Representatives, Senators, and Members of Parliament. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

11-01-2006, 08:54 PM	#54
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Many people argue that even with a democracy 'the people' still have little or no voice and that decisions are made based not on what the people want, but on what the government tells them they want. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-02-2006, 02:09 PM	#57
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I don't think these guys got it, either, but that's okay. It was a dumb thing to say, period, no matter what he meant. Doofus. Attached Images __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-02-2006, 06:37 PM	#60
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	What he did say can be interpreted in the way he intended (George Bush got stuck in Iraq, figuratively), and that interpretation is supported by the context. Taken out of context, that meaning certainly isn't the first one that comes to mind, so it's good he clarified. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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