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jinx · 03-05-2007, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe

To use your own example it's like tripping a potential shopper who comes into your store to make a purchase. It's poor customer service to let one of your workers harrass a customer...esp when they seem to be women. I'm thinking of Mari too. Then me or anyone else he can get a rise out of.

Why do you think you're a customer here sky, what have you purchased?

Spexxvet · 03-05-2007, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe

...Yes I think LJ is emotionally unstable...

I have to disagree with you. LJ is one of the most emotionally stable people around here.

skysidhe · 03-05-2007, 10:13 AM

Jinx, I havn't purchased anything. I was using UTs example of being in a store.

I am upset I have been insulted. Before UT's post I would have liked to have bought him a beer but he dosn't want my money. I made my point I'm done.

jinx · 03-05-2007, 10:16 AM

No, actually, I think you've made LJ and UT's point - but I'm glad you're done regardless.

Undertoad · 03-05-2007, 10:26 AM

This is the problem with running anyone off, and I think I acknowledged it at the time: some people will think they are "next"

But such things are probably inevitable, in a world where different personalities emerge. Personalities are always in conflict; it's basic human drama, and to be expected.

The alternative is to not allow our personalities out of the box at all, to the point where only polite discourse is permitted. It requires a strict set of rules and very active moderation to detect when someone is making an underhanded comment.

Frankly, fuck that kind of shit. If that's what you like, there are hundreds of places like that for you to choose from.

The Cellar is doing quite well in its current form. It's not seeking money in any sense of the word, and yet donations continue to rise to permit it to get bigger and bigger. Perhaps the rich-but-fragile-women market is not our target market.

Lastly, Sky, you may not have noticed that you have now said worse things about both LJ and I than we have ever said about you. According to us, you are endearingly nutty. According to you, we are systematic mysogynists. You know, nobody has called me worse in a long time.

Yet we stand, blithely unaffected. You cannot cut us. Not because we're powerful, or because we're somehow in league with each other. It's because we have the self-assuredness to know that people can call us fuckwads nine ways from Sunday, and it doesn't actually matter. We are who we are, and people can think what they like about us. Call me mysogynist - I will stand my ground, and let everyone else on this system determine who and what I actually am by my actions.

It's a good way to be. I recommend it.

lumberjim · 03-05-2007, 10:28 AM

speak for yourself, tony....i'm devastated. pass the tissues.

Spexxvet · 03-05-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

speak for yourself, tony....i'm devastated. pass the tissues.

No, use the drapes.

Shawnee123 · 03-05-2007, 10:30 AM

Now now now...I'm the one who is supposed to be ostracized right now.

I've seen it time and time again...just like high school, the whole crowd will get in on it if it's the popular opinion. Or, your friends don't try to stand up for you if they know it's not popular opinion.

Some great folks here, but still cliquey as hell.

I DO think it was in poor taste for UT to post Sky's PM...kinda takes the "private" out of it...with all due respect to you UT, you know I love ya.

This is a great place, but if you're not "in" remember to tread lightly. Only the elite can get away with being snide. I'm not dissin' anyone, I just think you should be aware of that.

And, as I said before, when I win the lottery I would love to totally subsidize the Cellar. It's an important place, imho. And here, like in real life, people can get hurt, feel alone, feel ganged up on...no fun. I'm happy for the perfect people who always know the right thing to say and when to say it, who never get offended, but know how to offend.

Maybe everyone could try a little more compassion.

Because it's also "cool" to do so, and implies "eye-batting innocence" I must make sure to add this smilie:

I love most of you like family. Like family, sometimes you all get on my nerves.

wolf · 03-05-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Sky's PM

PMing shit to an owner/admin/mod is the last refuge of the true troll, particularly when there's no new information presented

It's an additional opportunity to whine.

lumberjim · 03-05-2007, 10:51 AM

the more i think of this, the more i think that sky is the aggressor here. she used to say this shit about flint, right? i've poked fun, but never attacked her. there was something hot_pastrami said on here once about diving onto a knife.....found it:

Quote:

Originally Posted by hotpastrami

when I am not wielding my knife as a weapon, I have little sympathy for someone who chooses to fling themselves into it.

so....think of another excuse to be cheap. i dare say at this point UT doesnt want your crazy money.

Undertoad · 03-05-2007, 12:59 PM

I thought about excerpting it but I realized I would have had to excerpt it all. It would have been far worse, on sky's behalf, to just say "sky really ranted all over me and LJ in a PM and told me to shove the tipmug up my ass", and let everyone speculate.

Elspode · 03-05-2007, 02:43 PM

I'm sort of sorry I mentioned anything at this point. Unfortunately, I still think it is a good idea to have a system of donation/cost feedback for us users. In a free market, Internet or otherwise, every consumer has the choice to shop elsewhere, so that part is sort of self-regulating. At any rate, I in no way perceive this place as systematically misogynistic on *anyone's* part. There *are* a couple of people whose bullshit detectors are set pretty sensitive, though, and their alarms go off a lot sooner than others', sort of like a smoke detector does when you're just cooking dinner...or thought you were.

In any event, may I please claim use of the new user title "systematic misogynist", even though it isn't true? *Especially* because it isn't true? It just has a nice ring to it...great turn of phrase, that.

lumberjim · 03-06-2007, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode

There *are* a couple of people whose bullshit detectors are set pretty sensitive, though, and their alarms go off a lot sooner than others', sort of like a smoke detector does when you're just cooking dinner...or thought you were.

sensitive mayBE, but deadly accurate too.

...what?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-06-2007, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim

sensitive mayBE, but deadly accurate too.

...what?

How do you know

lumberjim · 03-06-2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How do you know

oh, i know.

03-05-2007, 10:16 AM	#4
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	No, actually, I think you've made LJ and UT's point - but I'm glad you're done regardless. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

03-05-2007, 10:28 AM	#6
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	speak for yourself, tony....i'm devastated. pass the tissues. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

03-05-2007, 10:30 AM	#8
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Now now now...I'm the one who is supposed to be ostracized right now. I've seen it time and time again...just like high school, the whole crowd will get in on it if it's the popular opinion. Or, your friends don't try to stand up for you if they know it's not popular opinion. Some great folks here, but still cliquey as hell. I DO think it was in poor taste for UT to post Sky's PM...kinda takes the "private" out of it...with all due respect to you UT, you know I love ya. This is a great place, but if you're not "in" remember to tread lightly. Only the elite can get away with being snide. I'm not dissin' anyone, I just think you should be aware of that. And, as I said before, when I win the lottery I would love to totally subsidize the Cellar. It's an important place, imho. And here, like in real life, people can get hurt, feel alone, feel ganged up on...no fun. I'm happy for the perfect people who always know the right thing to say and when to say it, who never get offended, but know how to offend. Maybe everyone could try a little more compassion. Because it's also "cool" to do so, and implies "eye-batting innocence" I must make sure to add this smilie: I love most of you like family. Like family, sometimes you all get on my nerves. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-05-2007, 02:43 PM	#12
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I'm sort of sorry I mentioned anything at this point. Unfortunately, I still think it is a good idea to have a system of donation/cost feedback for us users. In a free market, Internet or otherwise, every consumer has the choice to shop elsewhere, so that part is sort of self-regulating. At any rate, I in no way perceive this place as systematically misogynistic on anyone's part. There are a couple of people whose bullshit detectors are set pretty sensitive, though, and their alarms go off a lot sooner than others', sort of like a smoke detector does when you're just cooking dinner...or thought you were. In any event, may I please claim use of the new user title "systematic misogynist", even though it isn't true? Especially because it isn't true? It just has a nice ring to it...great turn of phrase, that. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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03-05-2007, 10:13 AM	#3
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Jinx, I havn't purchased anything. I was using UTs example of being in a store. I am upset I have been insulted. Before UT's post I would have liked to have bought him a beer but he dosn't want my money. I made my point I'm done.

03-05-2007, 10:26 AM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	This is the problem with running anyone off, and I think I acknowledged it at the time: some people will think they are "next" But such things are probably inevitable, in a world where different personalities emerge. Personalities are always in conflict; it's basic human drama, and to be expected. The alternative is to not allow our personalities out of the box at all, to the point where only polite discourse is permitted. It requires a strict set of rules and very active moderation to detect when someone is making an underhanded comment. Frankly, fuck that kind of shit. If that's what you like, there are hundreds of places like that for you to choose from. The Cellar is doing quite well in its current form. It's not seeking money in any sense of the word, and yet donations continue to rise to permit it to get bigger and bigger. Perhaps the rich-but-fragile-women market is not our target market. Lastly, Sky, you may not have noticed that you have now said worse things about both LJ and I than we have ever said about you. According to us, you are endearingly nutty. According to you, we are systematic mysogynists. You know, nobody has called me worse in a long time. Yet we stand, blithely unaffected. You cannot cut us. Not because we're powerful, or because we're somehow in league with each other. It's because we have the self-assuredness to know that people can call us fuckwads nine ways from Sunday, and it doesn't actually matter. We are who we are, and people can think what they like about us. Call me mysogynist - I will stand my ground, and let everyone else on this system determine who and what I actually am by my actions. It's a good way to be. I recommend it.

03-05-2007, 12:59 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I thought about excerpting it but I realized I would have had to excerpt it all. It would have been far worse, on sky's behalf, to just say "sky really ranted all over me and LJ in a PM and told me to shove the tipmug up my ass", and let everyone speculate.

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