Religious Discrimination in the USA

[monster]

It is a little hard for me to truly comment on this because at my kids' school, pirate dress -whilst not "common" is not unseen and would not be disruptive. nor would any other outfit. Something really unusual might form a topic for discussion/research, but I can't say I think that's a bad thing. My son went dressed as superman one day (my shy retiring son). For no other reason than he wanted to. The class had impromptu lesson about flight and whether/how a person (not necessarily human) could really do it. And he fell between sofas and bumped his head and learned that dressing the part only goes so far..... And they discussed Krypronite and rocks that look like it. He's second grade. there's a lot to be said for Open Schooling.....

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Cause it was a free dress day and he wanted to. I think he put shoes on though. I'm pretty sure he didn't wear sox and thongs to school, although sox and thongs is rather formal for us here.

OK, planned day for everyone, that's cool.

@Monster. They discussed "Krypronite" padlocks or pot?

[Aliantha]

It'd be against the uniform policy for him to wear it on normal school days. ;o)

[monster]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

OK, planned day for everyone, that's cool.

@Monster. They discussed "Krypronite" padlocks or pot?

Green crystalline structures, as far as I can tell. He came home interested in geology and in next time making sure that the underpants he wears on the outside are bigger than the pants. Works for me. I take him to pot class on Sundays.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Green crystalline? I thought kryptonite was a fictitious comic book invention, but I Googled it in case some scientist was also a Superman freak and used it for something discovered or created in the lab.

I tried both my spelling and yours and came up with padlocks and slang for a type of black pot. Therefore, I have no idea what the kids were being taught was kryptonite. Jello?

[monster]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Green crystalline? I thought kryptonite was a fictitious comic book invention, but I Googled it in case some scientist was also a Superman freak and used it for something discovered or created in the lab.

I tried both my spelling and yours and came up with padlocks and slang for a type of black pot. Therefore, I have no idea what the kids were being taught was kryptonite. Jello?

Ya know, I just don't care that much as long as they come home with real information and an excitement about it. The kids in Hector's class see Kryptonite as a green version of the crystal caves in IOTD as far as I can tell, I am not au fait with superman, I may have used the wrong spelling -pah! He went to school with his underpants outside his trousers and came home talking about the properties of quartz and aerodynamics and lift. Works for me.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What he hasn't learned yet is the rules are fairly loose, don't cover all the possible loopholes because;
1- they become ponderous and
2-The school administration can do anything they want. Change rules, enforce or not enforce them, makes new ones retroactive, on a whim. That's how kids learn that life ain't fair and power corrupts.

Well said. It is just that stupid rebellious stage. He is just doing this for attention so if the school's put it down quietly, he will go away.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

So what you're saying rkz is that it's fine to have faith in your own religion, just don't think you have the right to tell someone else their own religion and therefore faith is wrong because if you do then you're putting the onus of proof on yourself first?

As Bruce points out, religion is about faith. I guess many people have trouble with the concept of other people having faith in other things. Religious fervour is a problem in many ways, but in others it can be good.

I think that's important to remember when it comes to arguments like these that even though religion and government should be separate, religion serves a great purpose to many people.

No, I advocate the complete separation of church and state.
If you want your kid exposed to religion in school, send them to a private school of your religious background.
But, if one is allowed into the schools, all must be equally.
I don't care what someone believes, I only care how they act upon their beliefs.

[TheMercenary]

[Sundae]

I don't get it.
Specifically "proving" and "six more millenia"

I assume this is the resurrection?
As his return wouldn't mention the tomb.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's why faith is in church and law is in court.

Good, now let's get rid of all vestiges of faith from the courts.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I never said all concepts of the afterlife child abuse or anything of that nature. I made a very clear, specific, statement, if you read into that, that is your problem.

I read nothing into it, I never mentioned "all concepts of the afterlife"--you said that teaching a child that sinning leads to hell is child abuse. But the fact remains that other people teaching their children such things in the privacy of their homes does not influence your life at all, so you should be leaving them and the topic well enough alone. You said,

I'm not saying that everyone should go around telling religious people that they can't believe what they want.

yet you apparently feel that you should go around telling religious people that what they believe is child abuse? That's a pretty serious charge, and implies that you think their children should be taken away from them, which is equivalent to telling them they can't believe what they want in my book.

I said nothing of the sort... I said if they did certain things it was child abuse, not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
If you cannot reconcile what is in your head and what you do, there is no hope.

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by Flint

All religions are something that somebody just made up. Of course, there's much more to it than that, and there are many more differences between various religions than there are similarities, but they all share that one core attribute: being something that somebody made up. This isn't even debatable; this is the definition of a fact. We can thrash around in the quagmire of semantics surrounding this fact, but it's not going anywhere.

Every time man creates a new religion, the universe creates a new reality.

And every time man creates a new scientific theory, the universe creates a new reality.

This is the problem with a multi-threaded universe.

But I still think that religion is primarily a means by which the few at the top can control the masses crawling through the mud at their feet. And god, any god, is an adult version of Santa Claus.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Good, now let's get rid of all vestiges of faith from the courts.

There is no faith. Do YOU have faith in the courts?