Now that's just cheeky...

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

And how is that not just another form of oppression and totalitarianism? It is just another form of tyranny to run around the globe and occupy countries and force our views of government on them.

Making liberty, in the face of anyone, regardless, who thinks people shouldn't have as much liberty as we do, is not an act of oppression. It is not an act of oppression to deny somebody the chance to do some oppressing himself.

People in whom "white liberal guilt" is absent can figure this out without being told. Only the mistakenly guiltridden, with their pro-fascist values, can mistake removing undemocracy and promoting genuine democracy for an oppression or tyranny.

White liberal guilt is a fascist-loving way to be, and it's horribly cowardly too. I do not love fascism/communism, and thus I have no guilt, nor any patience with those who do. You're in chains! Strike them off!

Our views of government are the human views of government. Most other modes are just aggrandized street-gang stuff -- exhibitions of what a highly motivated sociopath could achieve in the undemocratic Third World.

Why do you suppose it is our government that works, while so many others seem all about abusing somebody or are dysfunctional and failing? Are we Americans so uniquely suited to republican democracy that it cannot work anywhere else on the globe? I don't believe so, and for two examples I name Japan and Germany -- two very divergent cultural structures. Yet how are they now? Where's the idea this cannot be done again coming from? Again, it is from that bastion of American antidemocracy, the Left.

[DanaC]

The proper attitude towards anything less than a democracy is to extinguish it. These complainers do not have the proper anti-tyrannical attitude and thus are suspect of being closet totalitarians themselves.

That's worthy of the Hall of Fame.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by DanaC

That's worthy of the Hall of Fame.

Of course it is. It's an anti-leftist, anti-fascist point of view. The two are one, as thoughtful students of both can tell you. It's all about the breaking of tyranny, to which action you object, DanaC. Perhaps you are morally bankrupt after all?

[DanaC]

So I'm a racist now? lol. Because I am of the left I am a racist unenlightened bastard?

I assure you my parentage was never in question. And I am morally bankrupt. But only in your moral currency which is valueless to me anyway:P

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by DanaC

So I'm a racist now? lol. Because I am of the left I am a racist unenlightened bastard?

I assure you my parentage was never in question. And I am morally bankrupt. But only in your moral currency which is valueless to me anyway:P

That's because you're not thinking in an enlightened way yet. Otherwise you wouldn't still be in the Socialist Party, and at your age, too. Moral currency is, I'm afraid, a universal. Remember that I was never in life a socialist, not at twenty, and not now -- and what the aphorism says.

The history of the Left in power is one of man's inhumanity to man, and we can tot up the millions of mighty questionable deaths that happened. Nothing "progressive" there, I assure you. Where, then, is the not-bastardliness?

The one thing I dislike about the Brits in general, and it is too bad, is their easy bigotry; it's more accepted there than here. They have no idea that showing it would raise my American hackles.

We Americans feel embarrassed to discover ourselves harboring prejudices about out-groups. We've done it before -- Catholics, Irish, blacks, Jews -- and we find at the end of the day there's no benefit in it. This enlightenment has not yet dawned on most of the British population -- and the yobbos who actually give physical expression to such racist impulses aren't being left in the dungeons of society's scorn for doing it.

[DanaC]

Ok.

[Aliantha]

UG was on a bit of a rampage yesterday it would seem. lol

Maybe he shouldn't post when he's been drinking.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

UG was on a bit of a rampage yesterday it would seem. lol

Maybe he shouldn't post when he's been drinking.

As of just now, I am finishing a first glass of California shiraz, with a serving of ground-turkey-sauced pasta. Got peas too. Maybe could have used more Italian seasoning.

That's how I am, sober, Ali. I slay dragons. The dragons fucking hate that, and insist on being undemocrats, which are naturally enemies of mankind.

Of course it would be so much better if they weren't undemocrats.

[DanaC]

I think perhaps that's safer than him posting when he's been thinking.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I think perhaps that's safer than him posting when he's been thinking.

bwahahahahahahaa

[Aliantha]

If I wanted to be funny, I'd say I'd never actually seen that, so don't really know what you mean.

UG really believes in what he posts. I can't get upset with him when I remember that he really can't help being who he is. If he wasn't so pompus, we wouldn't get such great food tips from him, and I don't think he really means to be so rude. He just doesn't realize how badly he comes off sometimes...or at least that's what I tell myself. It's far better than being upset by the silly things he says/assumptions he makes sometimes.

[Aliantha]

There aren't any dragons here.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Do you really imagine I am incapable of metaphor?

[Aliantha]

I didn't really think it was a good metaphor to use in the current discussion. lol We're just ordinary people on the internet. Not really a grave threat to your lifestyle.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

True, that. But I am a grave threat to some people's assumptions about what good really is. It's because they really can't do a very good job of defending them if challenged. They're left limply trying to claim they've met a crazy man -- who laughs at their feeble claims and points out how silly they are, and disobligingly refuses to rave, curse, froth or babble, but just keeps putting the needle in again and again and again.