What to believe - Page 4

squirell nutkin · 03-10-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Yznhymr

Also I have heard that "seeking the truth" is a key point in Buddhism. My problem is the truth I may find is not the truth someone else may find. Therefore, it really isn't truth.

I love this question: Do you believe that what you believe is really real?

The best thing I have learned from Buddhism is mindfulness. I've missed out on this most of my life. Wished I had understood this many many moons ago.

I learned early to be quite suspect of what I believe. Just because we think it doesn't make it real. I'm also equally suspect of words and the limitations they impose. At best a poor description on "reality." It is said the moment you open your mouth to speak about the Dharma, you are mountains and rivers away from it.

Or as they say in Vermont: "Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."

You can't go wrong with mindfulness.

Pie · 03-10-2010, 09:22 AM

You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita

A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.

squirell nutkin · 03-10-2010, 09:25 AM

That is a very interesting distinction between action and result. I have to ponder that.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-10-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie

You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita

A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.

But how do you determine what the right thing is, without considering where the chips may fall?

Pie · 03-10-2010, 10:25 AM

Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned.

Plan carefully, making your decision based on all available data, work hard to support that, but once the decision is made -- it's out of your hands and the outcome is no longer your responsibility. Only your work in getting up to that point is yours to claim. Success or failure belongs to the universe, not to individuals.

Pete Zicato · 03-10-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pie

You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita

A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.

I like it. Added to my quotes file.

squirell nutkin · 03-10-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

I like it. Added to my quotes file.

The whole Bhagavad Gita?

xoxoxoBruce · 03-10-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned.

OK, I get it.

monster · 03-13-2010, 07:07 PM

As long as no-one is letting the chips go to waste, wherever they fall....

Pie · 03-13-2010, 10:59 PM

5-second rule still applies.

wanderer · 03-15-2010, 08:07 AM

It is relatively simple to recognize that what we experience is easily more believable and true for us that what we read, hear or see. The Buddha or the zen carries on one principal fact of self realization. The east have been always believed in the fact that the supreme energy forming the basic primaries of the universe flows through every soul.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-15-2010, 06:24 PM

What's the difference between what you "experience", and what you "hear or see" ?

squirell nutkin · 03-15-2010, 10:28 PM

Buddhism teaches "anatman"

There is no soul, there is no self.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-15-2010, 11:02 PM

Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Riiiight.

wanderer · 03-15-2010, 11:48 PM

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Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see".

Experiencing may not definitely depend on what you hear or see. It might be beyond these physical senses. Intuitions, for example are completely independent from our other senses. When we try to meditate we try to zero on self. That can be an experience too and we use none of the physical senses then. Instead we try to shut them off.
"Popped" into your head can be an experience, yes. It all depends that how much you lived a thought, an idea or even a dream.

03-10-2010, 09:22 AM	#47
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	You are responsible for your actions and not for their results. -- Bhagavad Gita A.K.A., do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

03-10-2010, 09:25 AM	#48
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	That is a very interesting distinction between action and result. I have to ponder that. __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

03-10-2010, 10:25 AM	#50
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Well, that's the trick. Try your best to figure that out, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't go the way you planned. Plan carefully, making your decision based on all available data, work hard to support that, but once the decision is made -- it's out of your hands and the outcome is no longer your responsibility. Only your work in getting up to that point is yours to claim. Success or failure belongs to the universe, not to individuals. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

03-13-2010, 07:07 PM	#54
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	As long as no-one is letting the chips go to waste, wherever they fall.... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-13-2010, 10:59 PM	#55
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	5-second rule still applies. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

03-15-2010, 08:07 AM	#56
wanderer Master of the Domain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 225	It is relatively simple to recognize that what we experience is easily more believable and true for us that what we read, hear or see. The Buddha or the zen carries on one principal fact of self realization. The east have been always believed in the fact that the supreme energy forming the basic primaries of the universe flows through every soul.

03-15-2010, 06:24 PM	#57
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	What's the difference between what you "experience", and what you "hear or see" ? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-15-2010, 10:28 PM	#58
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	Buddhism teaches "anatman" There is no soul, there is no self. __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

03-15-2010, 11:02 PM	#59
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Riiiight. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

03-15-2010, 11:48 PM	#60
wanderer Master of the Domain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 225	Code: Oh, so what you "experience" is just what popped into your head, instead of what you "hear or see". Experiencing may not definitely depend on what you hear or see. It might be beyond these physical senses. Intuitions, for example are completely independent from our other senses. When we try to meditate we try to zero on self. That can be an experience too and we use none of the physical senses then. Instead we try to shut them off. "Popped" into your head can be an experience, yes. It all depends that how much you lived a thought, an idea or even a dream.

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