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[jaguar]

Bush appears to be about as mentally balanced as a spinning top, if not for his family he'd be a homeless drunk by now. Considering the black & white view of the world he is such a proponant of his lack of compassion and sociopathic tendancies should be of no surprise to anyone. Morrissey has the right idea, remote lime pit and a couple of rounds and the world would be a safer place.

[Catwoman]

I've missed you jag.

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally Posted by Beestie

I don't think mocking death row inmates is very polite but let's remember that we are talking about bloodthirsty murderers who, in all likelihood mocked their victims pleas for mercy.

Moving on to the general question of executions in Texas, its a knife in my gut when I hear folks fall for this "I found Jesus last week so let me out of jail/off the hook, please" crap (Carla Faye Tucker, et al).

152± people knew before they picked up the knife or gun or whatever that if they get caught, Texas will kill them yet they killed.

To Beestie (see above) and SmoothMoniker (in re: antichrist post):

:thumpsup:

Right on.


Sidhe

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Bush appears to be about as mentally balanced as a spinning top, if not for his family he'd be a homeless drunk by now. Considering the black & white view of the world he is such a proponant of his lack of compassion and sociopathic tendancies should be of no surprise to anyone. Morrissey has the right idea, remote lime pit and a couple of rounds and the world would be a safer place.

As true as that may, or may not, be, Bush isn't the only one.

The problem with politics is the politicians. It's endemic, there is no cure short of, how would you put it, policide is the wrong word, there has to be a word for killing all of the politicians.

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally Posted by Catwoman

Beestie please refer to the death penalty thread for information on a murderer's capacity for rationality in light of potential punishment.

(rant)If you try to evade capture or cover up a crime, it shows consciousness of guilt, and therefore, a rational approach. Look how rational Ted Bundy was. Look how rational the Killer Clown was. If you make some kind of plan to lure your victim to a place safe for you, or a plan concerning how not to get caught, that shows rational thinking, and therefore, if you ARE caught, you deserve to pay the penalty. (/rant)

Course, you guys know how I feel about the DP....


Sidhe

[Troubleshooter]

I've always been dubious of the people who "Turn to <insert deity/religion here>" when things are bad.

All it means is that you've given up. It's one step short of suicide in my opinion.

[jaguar]

TS I think the phrase you're looking for is 'a gift to humanity'. There are alot of scary people in power but you'd think, being the ;eader of hte free world and all the US could do better. I mean just look at the nutjob who thinks that rape can't lead to conception wh bush just put in the Surpreme court, or Ashcroft, there's a man with issues if I ever saw one.

[smoothmoniker]

Originally Posted by jaguar

I mean just look at the nutjob who thinks that rape can't lead to conception wh bush just put in the Surpreme court ...

District Court. Not even a circuit appeals court. Judge Holmes has about as much sway over constitutional law as a 2nd year law student at University of Phoenix.

The actual quote was, "conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." He's not saying they don't occur. He's saying they represent a miniscule percentage of actual abortions performed. He later withdrew the remark and apologized for it: ""The articulation of that sentence reflects an insensitivity for which there is no excuse and for which I apologize."

Let's be sure our hyperbole doesn't slide over the line into outright propoganda, OK?

-sm

[jaguar]

I was under the impression it was the supreme court, I was aware he had retracted the quote, he still said it. I'm fairly sure he meant to imply they didn't happen as well. I'm still wondering why I put an r in supreme. Orrin Hatch, one of the guys that backed him is the same one who spends most of his life on his knees in from the RIAA and MPAA, another prime candidate for retroactive abortion.

[smoothmoniker]

Originally Posted by jaguar

I was under the impression it was the supreme court, I was aware he had retracted the quote, he still said it. I'm fairly sure he meant to imply they didn't happen as well.

So you're fact checking goes through a rigorous "impression" filter, but you still feel pretty confident that you know what the guy meant?

I call horshit. Those who don't know the specifics of an event are precluded from drawing inferences from it.

-sm

[Happy Monkey]

How often does it snow in Miami?

[Clodfobble]

Google turned this up:

"On January 19, 1977, Old Man Winter paid an unwelcomed visit to residents of Miami, Florida (yes, Florida, not Ohio) and brought along a surprise gift -- snow! For the first time in the history of the extreme south of Florida, snow danced through the air and dusted the ground briefly. A quarter century later, the scene has not been repeated."

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...2/alm02jan.htm

[Happy Monkey]

It seems that jaguar's inference is pretty reasonable.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It seems that jaguar's inference is pretty reasonable.

I must agree. I'm surprised to hear there was even a single recorded instance of snow in Miami. "Snow in Miami" is the equivalent of a "snowball's chance in hell."

[bluesdave]

Bush's biggest problem is that he introduces his religion into everything he does. If he had just managed Texas like a good administrator should, and then did the same for the whole US, without constantly tying his Christianity into it, he would have eliminated at least 50 percent of the criticism he receives. By bringing religion into the equation he alienates both the atheists/agnostics, and those Christians who believe in the separation of religion and state.

In my opinion the whole debate on the death penalty gets sidetracked every time. I think we should look at the question in a clinical way. If a person commits premeditated murder, and the evidence against them is solid, and overwhelming, they should be removed from our society in exactly the same manner as you would put down a rabid dog. I used to believe that it would also save us money, as opposed to having to support the murderer in prison for the remainder of his, or her life, but I have been assured that in fact it is cheaper to keep them in prison, than to execute them (see here).

The problem I have with the death penalty is that innocent people do get executed, and also if you are wealthy and well connected, you can get off (look at OJ for example). If we can't do it in a fair, and even handed way, we should not be doing it at all. It should not be necessary to bring religion, morality, or Bush's intelligence into the argument.