Singer Linda Ronstadt Ejected by Las Vegas Casino

[smoothmoniker]

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RE: the band getting cut their checks, it depends on how good the Musical Director was when he negotiated the contract. If this was a house gig (they were staying for an extended time in one spot) then they are being contracted by the venue, not the artist, and they probably got paid by the week, and had the rest of that weed paid out.

If it was part of a road gig, then they are being contracted by the artist to fulfill her obligation to promoters, and they are paid for the amount of time spent on the road regardless of how many dates are booked. If they're getting $3k a week for 12 weeks, then they get their cash even if individual dates fall through. If the whole tour gets cancelled though, then they're lucky if they get a plane ticket home.

-sm

[hot_pastrami]

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

RE: the band getting cut their checks, it depends on how good the Musical Director was when he negotiated the contract. If this was a house gig (they were staying for an extended time in one spot) then they are being contracted by the venue, not the artist, and they probably got paid by the week, and had the rest of that weed paid out.

I want a house gig so I can be paid in weed... I'm in the wrong profession.

[DanaC]

"I want a house gig so I can be paid in weed... I'm in the wrong profession."

You should come work for me making pot pipes :P

[xoxoxoBruce]

SM, it was a one shot deal, neither road trip (tour) nor extended stay.

[smoothmoniker]

then if they showed up, they got paid. Doesn't matter if the thing got canned.

and HP, that was a Freudian slip if ever I've seen one!

-sm

[Happy Monkey]

Summary:

Ronstadt had the right to say what she wished.
The casino had the right to kick her out.
The audience did not have the right to vandalize the place.
The new owners of the casino will have the right to invite Ronstadt and Moore back, to sing "America the Beautiful".

[lookout123]

damn... new management - politics aside i hope they don't change much in the casino. the aladdin is my favorite place to play roullette.

[Happy Monkey]

Unfortunately, I believe they plan on changing it to the "Hard Rock Casino". So the decor will probably change.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by tw

None of this can be discussed without first pointing to the reasons for all this: a lying president.

You're wrong. The issue with Linda Ronstadt and the Aladdin Casino and the music and fans can be discussed and rehashed WITHOUT blaming George Bush.

[lookout123]

dammit OC don't you know GWB shot JFK, on a special operation for the CIA, thus putting into power LBJ, who lied??? this led us to nixon who lied and eventually died... ford was in power even though he never appeared on a ticket. carter was just a saintly good old boy, but he fell to the evil evil ronnie raygun who had iran contra with the CIA/DIA and more recently died... after him we have a little bush who once worked for the CIA, then our hero Bill Clinton, who tried to help his friend Al, but the election was stolen by the evil GWB then he took us to war with lies from the CIA... now we have come full circle because GWB is up against another JFK... all because there was no *drum roll* no smoking gun!!!

[tw]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

You're wrong. The issue with Linda Ronstadt and the Aladdin Casino and the music and fans can be discussed and rehashed WITHOUT blaming George Bush.

Nothing involving the WTC and Pentagon attacks can be discussed without mentioning the 6 Aug 2001 briefing that George Jr apparently did not even read. What was he waiting for? A formal invitation to the party from Osama? The contentiouos nature - and the reason why those extremists felt justified in creating civil disturbances in a Rhonstadt concert is directly traceable to the current political climate in America - as created a mental midget president and his administration. An administration that even justified the outing of a CIA agent and Gitmoizing of innocent Iraqi prisioners.

Osama bin Landen will attack buildings with airplanes? So he sat there for seven minutes in an elementary school as if he knew nothing about what was happening. Oh wait. He did not know. Cheney did not tell him to read the details. It was only titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US.” To understand planes attacking buildings, the president would have had to read details. Details. That is Cheney's job. Therefore those anti-social minority in a Las Vegas concert are justified in destroying a the night of entertainment for real Amerians?

When someone criticized this president, what do all good Americans do? At minimum they stay quiet and acknowledge that all who criticize this president have plenty of reasons to do so. Did I mention something called an economy?

What is wrong here is that anyone is even discussing Rhonstadt. The problem is George Jr and his extremist friends who find nothing wrong in trashing a casino. Also wrong here are those who don't comdemn those extremist violent actions in their very first post - hint hint.

And so to understand the violence in Las Vegas, we start with the source - George Jr and his 'screw everyone else' politics.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by tw

Nothing involving the WTC and Pentagon attacks can be discussed without ...

That's the second time in the same thread that you've used the phrase "Nothing can be discussed without...".

It's an obvious gambit to force the discussion into a specific channel. I don't know about others, but it ticks me off because you are telling me how I have to approach a topic.

The phrasing is definately not a "Win Friends and Influence People" sort of thing.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by tw

What was he waiting for?

Who? Clinton or Berger?

Just in case you need a refresher...

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Beestie

Who? Clinton or Berger?

Just in case you need a refresher...

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

Richard Clarke: Let's GET Osama!!
Berger: no.

There appears to be very much truth to what Beestie posts here. I have not yet read enough to be sure. But this has been my suspicion for some time. Clinton signed off again and again to attack, capture, or kill bin Laden between 1997 and 2000. Tribal leaders with intimate knowledge of where bin Laden always was were to kidnap him. Delta Force could not get spooky into position due to fuel limitations. The Emir of UAE got in the way. Cohen, during the Clinton era, was even running a field office dedicated only to getting bin Laden. When we did go after bin Landen just once, either the Navy used surface ships (giving away what we were doing) or Pakistan had to be notified so that those cruise missiles launched against bin Laden did not start an Indian / Pakistani nuclear war. Either way, bin Laden and his closest 50 friends at the meeting left quickly.

Of course we were not the only ones who tried to take out bin Laden. The list includes Egypt, Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and even Libya. Got to give the man credit. He stays alive. He has inadvertant friends in the right places (from his perspective). He even has a president who would not let the Marine expeditionary force nor 10th Mountain go get him. Bin Laden even got an American president who helped him stay alive. (Generals Zinni and Shelton were furious.)

[tw]

Originally Posted by dar512

The phrasing is definately not a "Win Friends and Influence People" sort of thing.

If you are posting to win friends and influence people, then you are not my friend. I want the facts, blunt and honest. That means being politically incorrect. Those who are politically correct lie too much. If you have an emotional opinion of what I have posted, then, as far as I am concerned, you have not yet learned to be an adult. Your opinion should only be on the facts as posted. Emotion has no place in adult thinking.

Truth must be posted bluntly no matter how much it hurts.

Same applies to those who want to save me from seeing something painful or atrocious. Don't insult me. If they are cutting off his head, then show me ... in detail. Then I can assertain the credibility of the event, appreciate the real intent of the killers, AND identify other unique information not observed by others. Again, stop with thinking nice is good. Nice is bad. Honest and blunt is good.

In the meantime, it is an honest opinion but not backed up by supporting reasoning. You don't think there is anything gained by first starting with the reason for that Las Vegas violence? Fine. You don't like it. Why? Why does that unjustified violence by a minority of Las Vegas extremists not belong in this discussion first and foremost? Not your feelings. Facts. Why should we ignore the fundamental reasons for the disruption of a show at the expense of other Linda Rhonstadt fans?