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Old 11-03-2004, 02:56 PM   #1
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so, they're not quite perfect. far from my biggest flaw, though.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:12 PM   #2
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so, they're not quite perfect. far from my biggest flaw, though.
Yikes, that's an unpleasant picture. They're yellow too--you're a smoker, no? Have you thought about just forgetting the whole thing and getting dentures?
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:58 PM   #3
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I don't think Clinton is relative in this context

Simple fact is, Bill Clinton now holds no water. You look at 41's approval ratings in 1991 during the Iraq war, primo. But once war was over the recession was revealed in all of its crapiness. I don't Bill Clinton would have done much better in this environment. His constant polling and his verbal acrobatics would scare voters now. Clinton served his purpose for the time, a time of relative peace and quiet. Of course, while he was leading trouble was brewing. Sending cruise missles, meeting with Yasser Arafat, and pulling out of Somalia didn't help. Let's face it, Clinton, and any such clone would only work in the 90's period.

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Old 11-03-2004, 11:51 PM   #4
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Re-elected Bush. Gains in the Senate. Gains in the House. Gains in governors races, state assemblies, and local elections.

This is a serious question: in light of the fact that the progressive movement staged a very effective get out the vote campaign, had access to massive amounts of money, by most accounts won the debates, did everything "right" in the election, why do you think they lost this election in such spectacular fashion? Is it a process failure (somehow didn't manage to communicate their issues) or an ideology failure (most people know their issues and disagree)?

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The reason the Left failed is real, real simple. The people who enjoy the blessings of Liberalism don't appreciate them, and are unwilling to fight for them. Until the Right does something *so outrageous* that it is undeniable that fascism is underway, all of us tree-hugging, dope-smoking, laid-back, peace and loveniks are just going to keep playing Nintendo and typing on these online forums.

I wish that the Right would just cut to the chase and declare non-Christian religions to be a potential terroristic threat and outlaw them. Then, we could get right to the Civil War without all the mucking around and pretending that we have rights.
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Old 11-03-2004, 11:59 PM   #5
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Well, I'm not going to Canada...I'm undereducated and I don't speak French.
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Old 11-04-2004, 08:00 AM   #6
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I wish that the Right would just cut to the chase and declare non-Christian religions to be a potential terroristic threat and outlaw them. Then, we could get right to the Civil War without all the mucking around and pretending that we have rights.
Well, he's already said that athiests aren't really citizens so we're on the way.
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Old 11-03-2004, 01:51 PM   #7
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Without access to any scholarly articles or analysis, I'm going with ideology failure.

What the Democrats and Left think the country wants was clearly not what the country wanted, this time.

This is particularly shown by the house and senate races, I think.

It's not just R this time. It's overwhelmingly R.

I think what needs to be examined more politically would be values, rather than issues alone.
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:59 PM   #8
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Republicans have become the masters of framing issues in misleading light. I bet a significant number of people voting for gay marriage bans thought that the courts were going to force churches to perform gay marriages. A disturbing number of Republicans think we found WMD in Iraq and Saddam was involved in 9-11. The Swift Boat Veterans were treated as a he-said-she-said, despite the fact that absolutely none of the physical or contemporary evidence, or prior statements by many members, supported their accusations. Everybody knows two or three "flip-flops" by Kerry, but massive Bush flip-flops went unmentioned.

Democrats just don't have the media machine, and hopefully they will find a way to be as effective without becoming as deceptive.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:17 PM   #9
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you're just bitter because i like to take pot shots at your tired ass.

you'd bang me.

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Old 11-03-2004, 03:29 PM   #10
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you'd bang me.
Dude, how old are you? From the content of you last few posts I'd guess about 15. Seriously, nobody cares what your teeth look like, and nobody is interested in your crass, immature comments. It's totally pathetic, and you're making a huge fool of yourself.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:32 PM   #11
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It's totally pathetic, and you're making a huge fool of yourself.
He's way past that point. We all are, or were, or will be doing such.

It is inebitabull...
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:37 PM   #12
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you'd bang me.
With your strap-on or hers?
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:42 PM   #13
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Dude, how old are you? From the content of you last few posts I'd guess about 15.

That is an awfully purty, scruff-free, baby-smooth chin up there...
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:44 PM   #14
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With your strap-on or hers?
precisely.



and garnet, not only are you ugly, stupid and butch, but you have zero sense of humor as well.

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