Bush, Communism, and the County Dem headquarters

[Undertoad]

That's great, Rich, but since you've already demonstrated a blatant ignorance of this recent history we can assume you're clueless about how it ended, too.

Don't make shit up, this is the Cellar.

By the way you did not "run the numbers" despite your claim, and we still await your findings about how other forms of government are just as deadly as Communism.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

.... we can assume you're clueless about how it ended, too.

Yeah, what he said.

You and that Brett girl.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

That's great, Rich, but since you've already demonstrated a blatant ignorance of this recent history we can assume you're clueless about how it ended, too.

Don't make shit up, this is the Cellar.

"recent history", is that some sort of oxymoron like "compassionate conservatism"? Excactly what did I make up? The New Deal? I didn't mention Stalin's earlier association with Hitler, but I didn't lie about his dealings with the US, either. Or our dealings with Chiang Kai-shek.

As for democracy, is the US prepared to support a democratic islamic state in Iraq if that is what the people elect? Is the president ready to deal with the mix of church and state when it's not his church?

Communism collapsed in 1989. Capitalism collapsed in 1929. The British policy of colonialism folded all throughout the 20th century. What is left and what is working?

[lumberjim]

ut, how come you;re being a dick to rich? will you be calling his kids sissies next? wtf?

slang, the fact that bush won is resultant from one thing and one thing only: stupid people breed faster.

why dont you join the army and go fight in his war.....you have a lot of extra free time and it seems like it would fit your penchant for gunplay AND republican chest thumping.

[slang]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

slang, the fact that bush won is resultant from one thing and one thing only: stupid people breed faster.

Yeah I know. It's tough seeing your guy lose. Be patient. There is another election coming. Get involved with the process, don't just be bitter.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

why dont you join the army and go fight in his war.....you have a lot of extra free time and it seems like it would fit your penchant for gunplay AND republican chest thumping.

I would seriously like to. My bro and two cousins are overseas. I'm too old right by the age limitations at this time, but with a little luck they'll change. I would seriously like to go in place of a young-married-with-children soldier.

In the coming months recruitment and enlisted numbers may decline. I'm already gearing up with a physical fitness program to pass a physical test, should the age limitations be changed.

You dont believe in the Iraq war and that's fine by me. You are obviously a sharp guy, that's your opinion. You have a lot of company here on the cellar. There are a lot of people that do support the war though. When I was visiting my brother I talked with as many soldiers as I could about going to Iraq. There was only one Kerry supporter that I ran into. The conversations were off duty and bro isnt an officer, so it's not like he or I could break their rocks over their answers.

The most common phrase I heard was "rather fight them over there than over here".

I'm sure they are all idiots too.

And....


Kerry lost.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by slang

Yeah I know. It's tough seeing your guy lose. Be patient. There is another election coming. Get involved with the process, don't just be bitter.

ok dude, I;ll give that a try. What's the offical uniform for these sign erecting missions, full cammo and face paint? ninja suit? underwear on the outside?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

ok dude, I;ll give that a try. What's the offical uniform for these sign erecting missions, full cammo and face paint? ninja suit? underwear on the outside?

I think it's underwear on the head. Only I think they call it a 'brain sling'.

[slang]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

What's the offical uniform for these sign erecting missions, full cammo and face paint? ninja suit? underwear on the outside?

Well....You will have to go to your own local Party grassroots meetings to see what jobs are available and what uniforms are appropriate for the different jobs.

I think the "underwear on the head" thing saved me from being asked to be a poll watcher. Use your own strategy for avoiding the jobs you don't want that they might want you to do.

[Undertoad]

Understand, to me, arguing for Communism IS being a dick.

We used to think that stuff worked until we woke up and took a look around. India was starving to death until they denationalized their farming industry. Ethiopia didn't have the kind of famine problems that Live Aid was created to remedy... until they went Communist and nationalized their farming industry. The US never nationalized dick, and surprise, it turned out to be the right way to go. 70-80 years later we have basically done away with scarcity problems COMPLETELY, but because there were a few years of difficult economy four generations ago, extended by the (anyone? anyone?) Smoot-Hawley tariffs of 1930, Rich thinks he has it all figured out and it's the mean money-making capitalists keeping us down. Never mind that the less productive nations have spent all their time killing each other, the fact that a small handful of people died in 1931 means that the market is a failure and the equivalent of Stalinism.

Well, FUCK THAT KIND OF NOISE. Wake the fuck up, take a look around.

EVEN THE CHINESE ARE FUCKING CAPITALISTS NOW, AND IT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM RICH. No complaints about market economies in the far east... they've woken up and smelt the fucking coffee already. It's like they say, there are more Communists at Harvard than there are left in eastern Europe.

[elSicomoro]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The US never nationalized dick

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Rich, you weren't arguing for Communism, were you? It doesn't seem like it, but maybe I'm hallucinating.

And Slang, your stunt meant nothing in Pennsylvania. Congratulations!

[slang]

I know. Some one else's in Ohio did. Don't be bitter though, there is another election coming. You can put your energies into electing the guy of your choice.

It is interesting and fun seeing you guys whine though. For months I read shit here that pissed me off and just let it slide. There are a lot of people here that dont like Bush. I can accept that. Why cant you accept that reasonable people from all over the country voted for Bush instead of Kerry? What, they were all fundies? Please.

I know, they'll all stupid. With that attitude and denial, the Dems will be losing even more elections in the near future.

And...

Kerry lost.

[elSicomoro]

Who's bitter, Slang? I know Bush won, and completely accept that. I wrote a rather level-headed piece just after the election and purposely didn't say much about the aftermath on Cellar b/c of all the whining.

But here you come 3 weeks after the election to rub it in and to and post some prank photos with some ridiculous shit about Kerry and Communists...that's as bad as some of those moveon.org ads. It was funny at first, but now it's just stupid. You're getting exactly what you're giving right now.

The election is over...your boy won, but your vote didn't count towards getting him there. That's it. Enough. Enjoy your victory. Meanwhile, people like me are gearing up for '08...you should too, since your boy can't run again...yet.

[slang]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Meanwhile, people like me are gearing up for '08...you should too

Good Syc. Getting involved does wonderful things for the grassroots orgs. I am still involved but not with 08 at this time. With 06. It seems we have to start working on operation "Good bye Ed".

This little stunt putting signs up in support of our candidate is really not a stunt. It's supporting our candidate. In this election it didnt matter. Maybe for the overall numbers but not for the electoral college, which is the key.

Both sides are gearing up and whatever the campaigns were this time around will be nothing compared to the next few.

It should be exciting and I look forward to volunteering more in the future.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by sycamore

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Rich, you weren't arguing for Communism, were you? It doesn't seem like it, but maybe I'm hallucinating.

And Slang, your stunt meant nothing in Pennsylvania. Congratulations!

No I wasn't arguing for Communism. I was arguing against the bloody-shirt politics of bringing up Communism as the boogieman for any kind of criticism of pure Capitalism or the corporate state. Kerry=Communism=100 million dead? Give me a break!

What we have in the US is not pure capitalism. We will have pure capitalism on the day that lobbyists convince Congress to remove every environmental, labor, and financial protection written into law.

[slang]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Kerry=Communism=100 million dead?

I think the sign was trying to say Communism=100 million dead, is on the way out but Kerry is a communist sympathizer so a vote for him would be giving it another chance, just to make sure it's a bad system.