Bush, Communism, and the County Dem headquarters

[jaguar]

I take a different approach. Of course your statement implies that I think the democrats are a viable alternative. I'm all for Bush, massive deficits, ban abortion, a bible in every home, ban gay marriage and put a Closed Circuit Camera in every living room and make piracy a death-penalty offence. Suits me fine, when it comes time to reap the whirlwind I'll sit back and laugh.

[ladysycamore]

Originally Posted by sycamore

It seemed to me that he found the number interesting, then compared Communism to other political systems.

He also noted, "Communism is probably more susceptible to famine than capitalism, but I'm sure there were deaths during the Great Depression in the US due to famine."

Well, there was that Dust Bowl thing during the Great Depression, which could be considered a famine of sorts. And wouldn't ya know it! People did die of starvation during the Great Depression! (Source)

You're welcome.

Not to mention, the thousands of blacks during chattel slavery and beyond that were murdered...that's right I SAID murdered, but doesn't seem as though anyone is getting all up in arms about THAT bit of glorious American history.


Communism... Isn't that supposed to be on the way OUT?

I'd like to respond in more detail, but I gotta go sling phone books. Your post has given me an idea, however, Slang. Republicans get their books delivered direct to their coffee tables through their living room windows. The suckers have enough money to pay for the broken glass for the added convenience of in house delivery. Democrats will get their books left neatly to one side of the drive. Let 'em walk out there to get them! Viva la Revoluci'on!

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Understand, to me, arguing for Communism IS being a dick.

Well, FUCK THAT KIND OF NOISE. Wake the fuck up, take a look around.

EVEN THE CHINESE ARE FUCKING CAPITALISTS NOW, AND IT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM RICH. No complaints about market economies in the far east... they've woken up and smelt the fucking coffee already. It's like they say, there are more Communists at Harvard than there are left in eastern Europe.

What I'm arguing is the the reason for people even attempting Communism is to fix failures in Capitalism. Our current system is not pure Capitalism, although with the repeal of the Glass-Steegal Act, it appears we are trying to unlearn any lesson we learned from the Great Depression.

One argument for pure Capitalism is that wealth will automatically redistribute throughout society by trickling down from the wealthiest to the working class. In this case, the rate of income inequality should go down as the government becomes more business-friendly.

A Maldistribution of Purchasing Power
A fundamental maldistribution of purchasing power, the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920s, was another factor that contributed to the Great Depression. Wages increased at a rate that was a fraction of the rate at which productivity increased. As production costs fell quickly, wages rose slowly, and prices remained constant, the bulk benefit of the increased productivity went into profits. As industrial and agricultural production increased, the proportion of the profits going to farmers, factory workers, and other potential consumers was far too small to create a market for goods that they were producing.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by sycamore

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Rich, you weren't arguing for Communism, were you? It doesn't seem like it, but maybe I'm hallucinating.

And Slang, your stunt meant nothing in Pennsylvania. Congratulations!

No I wasn't arguing for Communism. I was arguing against the bloody-shirt politics of bringing up Communism as the boogieman for any kind of criticism of pure Capitalism or the corporate state. Kerry=Communism=100 million dead? Give me a break!

What we have in the US is not pure capitalism. We will have pure capitalism on the day that lobbyists convince Congress to remove every environmental, labor, and financial protection written into law.

[ladysycamore]

Originally Posted by slang

Maybe looking at the masses that elected Bush from the same perspective would help some of you.

People voted their "fears" (just as they were told not to...ah the sheeplings). Funny how the Bin Laden tape "appears" on the Friday before the election (giving it the weekend beforehand to marinate in the public's minds)...and now it's a distant memory, and all some people have to talk about is dumb old Communism? Who the hell cares???

Hey folks: wow, Bin Laden STILL out there...well whaddya motherfucking know!!!! Think that Old Bushie boy will get him THIS time around? I wouldn't put money on it.



Yeah yeah...and Kerry lost. Big motherfucking deal already.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by slang

Yeah I know. It's tough seeing your guy lose. Be patient. There is another election coming. Get involved with the process, don't just be bitter.

ok dude, I;ll give that a try. What's the offical uniform for these sign erecting missions, full cammo and face paint? ninja suit? underwear on the outside?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

ok dude, I;ll give that a try. What's the offical uniform for these sign erecting missions, full cammo and face paint? ninja suit? underwear on the outside?

I think it's underwear on the head. Only I think they call it a 'brain sling'.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Secondly UT, read this, then look at the supporters.

Logical fallacy, Jag. An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by jaguar

I take a different approach. Of course your statement implies that I think the democrats are a viable alternative. I'm all for Bush, massive deficits, ban abortion, a bible in every home, ban gay marriage and put a Closed Circuit Camera in every living room and make piracy a death-penalty offence. Suits me fine, when it comes time to reap the whirlwind I'll sit back and laugh.

For someone who has never been to America, even as a tourist, you sure know exactly what we want, need, think, opine, believe.

[jaguar]

Ut - I'm just pointing out PAE isn't obscure and it's sound enough to attract some heavy hitters. Why not try reading it?
wolf- I'm just being a touch hyperbolic about what bush is planning on doing, that probably won't have much in common with what you want, need, think, opine or believe either.

What we have in the US is not pure capitalism. We will have pure capitalism on the day that lobbyists convince Congress to remove every environmental, labor, and financial protection written into law.

They're working hard at it, just give it time

[wolf]

Originally Posted by sycamore

You've heard of Amtrak, right? What the hell is wrong with you?

Nationalizing the railroad has been such an overwhelming success too ...

Amtrak hemmorhages cash, and has from the day it came into existence.

The metro isn't doing so well either, apparently, and that was funded with federal money too.

[elSicomoro]

Federal funds fully pay or help pay for public transit systems and upgrades a lot. Federal funds will probably save SEPTA this coming week. Not to mention, you're talking about DC...the Feds take care of their own...mostly.

I only brought up Amtrak because a false statement was made, though I do think that it should be privatized and/or completely restructured.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Federal funds fully pay or help pay for public transit systems and upgrades a lot. Federal funds will probably save SEPTA this coming week. Not to mention, you're talking about DC...the Feds take care of their own...mostly.

I only brought up Amtrak because a false statement was made, though I do think that it should be privatized and/or completely restructured.

Federal funds for public transit do not nearly compare with highway funds. The Brookings Instittute documents this disparity.

There used to be private toll roads in the US. The Lincoln Highway was a privately funded interstate. If all road funds were funded from state and federal gas taxes, and tolls, public transit would be seem like a much better option. Of course, SEPTA would have to expand and become efficient at the same time.

[slang]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

What's the offical uniform for these sign erecting missions, full cammo and face paint? ninja suit? underwear on the outside?

Well....You will have to go to your own local Party grassroots meetings to see what jobs are available and what uniforms are appropriate for the different jobs.

I think the "underwear on the head" thing saved me from being asked to be a poll watcher. Use your own strategy for avoiding the jobs you don't want that they might want you to do.