Wall Street Protests

[classicman]

Depends on the major. Some sobering statistics here.
IIRC, overall the unemployment rate was somewhere in the high nines.

[classicman]

The old idea of democracy in which the few govern the many through the power of capital and ritualized elections is being replaced with a new understanding of democracy and politics, in which power and resources are shared and economic justice and democratic values work in the interest of social responsibility and the common good. This radical notion of democracy is in the making, unfinished, and open to connecting people, power, resources and knowledge. And this turn toward a radical understanding of connecting the particular to the general is particularly true of their view of higher education. What the Occupy protesters recognize, as the British educator Simon Dawes points out, is that, "'the public university' can be read as shorthand for 'not-neoliberal university,' where neoliberal means more than private funding; it means 'not good for democracy.'"

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Hmmm...

[ZenGum]

Re: #787

So, we need nurses, engineers and teachers.
We don't need so many psychologists.

Yeah, really?

The only surprise for me there is that "computer adminstration management and security" is also doing badly. Maybe there has been an oversupply. UT, this is all your fault.

[kerosene]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

The only surprise for me there is that "computer adminstration management and security" is also doing badly. Maybe there has been an oversupply. UT, this is all your fault.

I was surprised by that one, too. Perhaps there was some other technology sector type jobs that would have fallen in the middle but closer to the other side of the graph?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

Re: #787

So, we need nurses, engineers and teachers.
We don't need so many psychologists.

Yeah, really?

Those psychology grads must be among the idiots who are protesting saying we should pay for their educations because they can't find a job.

[Undertoad]

There are bubbles of career interest in the various parts of the computer/networking/IT world. The same kind of bubbles that affect the real estate and other parts of the economy...

Admin is OUT right now, in favor of cloud-based infrastructures, and being able to operate hundreds to thousands of systems using various kinds of automation.

Programmers are IN right now, especially "rock stars" and "gurus" who are heavily sought-after by startups in Silicon Valley.

But after a few years this could reverse again, because the sector is prone to reversing on a dime and leaving scores of really talented people out of work.

*ahem*

[Pete Zicato]

It's wrong about teachers, at least for Illinois. There is a huge surplus of teachers here. All the teachers that were expected to retire in the last couple of years can't now because the wall street fiasco/scam killed their savings.

[kerosene]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

There are bubbles of career interest in the various parts of the computer/networking/IT world. The same kind of bubbles that affect the real estate and other parts of the economy...

Admin is OUT right now, in favor of cloud-based infrastructures, and being able to operate hundreds to thousands of systems using various kinds of automation.

Programmers are IN right now, especially "rock stars" and "gurus" who are heavily sought-after by startups in Silicon Valley.

But after a few years this could reverse again, because the sector is prone to reversing on a dime and leaving scores of really talented people out of work.

*ahem*

That's sort of how I thought it was but you explained it in words. Thank you

[Clodfobble]

We have a huge surplus of teachers here too, because we just laid off something like 10% of them due to budget cuts.

[Griff]

Lots of laid off teachers here as well.

[classicman]

Timing is an issue with teachers also. They really need to be hired for/at the beginning of the school year, no?

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by classicman

Timing is an issue with teachers also. They really need to be hired for/at the beginning of the school year, no?

Yes. But that's not a factor in the current glut.

[classicman]

My daughter is entering the field and we know more than a few here. They are telling us otherwise - at least for this area.
Aside from that, there have been a lot more people getting degrees in EDU than there have been positions available.
The districts have also been placing lower paid aides in classrooms into positions that were once held by teachers...
something about cost cutting.

[TheMercenary]

Well it took them long enough to find the right mark.

Occupy protesters rally against Congress at Capitol

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80G1ML20120117

[Lamplighter]

But, but, but... we don't own the shares, we just manage the funds.

The Oregonian
Anne Saker
1/24/12

In downtown Portland, protesters laugh at rain to chant at Wells Fargo

In Tuesday's steady rain, about 40 people held the sidewalk in front of
the Standard Insurance Center to protest Wells Fargo's investment in private companies
that build prisons and the institution's lending and foreclosure practices.<snip>



Jamie Patridge (left) and Sean Staub are dressed for their street theater performance
during a protest Tuesday against Wells Fargo in downtown Portland.
About 40 people gathered at the Standard Insurance Center to demand
that Wells Fargo divest of stock in companies that build private prisons
and rewrite its lending and foreclosure practices.<snip>

Tom Unger, a spokesman for Wells Fargo, stood inside the lobby
of the Standard Insurance Center to watch the protest.
He said later that protesters misunderstand Wells Fargo's
involvement with the private-prison builders .

"It's based upon a false premise.
We don't own shared of the comapnies they're upset about.
We have some mutual funds that we manage and
they currently hold a small position in one of the companies.
The owners of the mutual funds own the shared.
We manage the funds."

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