Contra-Contraception

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

yeah, saying I'm against sex for pleasure is oversimplification to the point of killing the message. I don't have time for a full clarification now but I'll see if I can explain in a little while. In the mean time I'll say again that I used the term pleasure center to try to express what I mean. Think of the mice that will starve themselves so that they can keep pressing the button. I wouldn't equate it exactly with self destructive behavior in pursuit of pleasure, but since the safe guard isn't always there, danger can come from getting so used to not having to use common sense that you get burned eventually. Dang, that's not as good as I hoped but it'll have to do for now...

That completely avoided the question.
Are you against sex for pleasure? What is the issue, specifically, with contraception?
It ain't hard.

So, you like the Pope, want all the poor Irish to keep having babies that they can't feed? Is that it? Or do you really think they are going to stop having sex... just like all the teens of the world... "it really does not feel that good, honey. It's all hype, honesty. Mom and I did it because we had to." Sure. Tell me another one.

Or are you going to tell us that it is "different" for married couples?

BTW, there seems to be some confusion. Not all pills are "abortion" pills.
Day after pills keep pregnancy from happening within 72-120 hours of intercourse... there is no abortion/miscarriage. Just no pregnancy at all. ENTIRELY different from RU-486 and others of that nature.

[Elspode]

It is still a direct violation of the Will of God (tm), and therefore an abomination. (Just doing my part to fan the flames of irrationality, here)

Abomination is not sin.
If you are not going to run around freaking out every time you see a cotton/poly blend shirt, a garden with carrots and peas planted or someone eating shrimp... then just get over the whole abomination thing.
Hell, people don't care about sin... washing your car on Saturday is a mortal sin... no one gives a shit. Let it go.

[9th Engineer]

My issue is actually not specifically contraception at all, it's certain attitudes that I don't care for. Sex is risky, bottom line, how you go about it is what determines your chances of problems. What erks me is people who assume that using a condom or being on the pill eliminates that risk and then if something goes wrong whine -> "but this wasn't supposed to happen". My response, "You may have reduced your risk to 1% or lower but you drew the short straw there bud". I see sex outside of marriage as having a higher risk potential, that's all, and the more risk someone takes for pleasure the less sympathy I have for them if they get burned. **btw, None of this is related to the womans blog anymore**
Do I think that teens are going to stop having sex, no, but it's still voluntarily accepted risk. So to make it clear, I don't care at all about contraception at all one way or the other. You want to be a sex maniac? Go ahead, but I don't give a damn if you get burned. You want to have 11 kids and way overextend your budget because you think rubbers are evil? Go ahead, but don't come to me for a handout.

EDIT: in response to #76
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on whether or not that last explanation was aimed at me.

So, it "bothers you" that they are not assuming the percentage of risk that comes with whatever form of contraception they are using, basically?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

My issue is actually not specifically contraception at all, it's certain attitudes that I don't care for. Sex is risky, bottom line, how you go about it is what determines your chances of problems. What erks me is people who assume that using a condom or being on the pill eliminates that risk and then if something goes wrong whine -> "but this wasn't supposed to happen". My response, "You may have reduced your risk to 1% or lower but you drew the short straw there bud". I see sex outside of marriage as having a higher risk potential, that's all, and the more risk someone takes for pleasure the less sympathy I have for them if they get burned. **btw, None of this is related to the womans blog anymore**

Exactly. None of that was ever related to the blog, but in the beginning you were acting as if it were.

[Trilby]

Sex is risky, life is risky....


Sheesh.

[Elspode]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Abomination is not sin.

Obviously, I should have placed the "sarcasm" tags in my statement...

[9th Engineer]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

So, it "bothers you" that they are not assuming the percentage of risk that comes with whatever form of contraception they are using, basically?

It pisses me off, yeah. Much the same way that you react if a coworker was bitching about how badly off they are now after totaling their car, and then included that they were on the phone and applying makeup when it happened. The extra risks they took change the way you interpret the outcome.

Ok. Got it. I'm pretty dense sometimes.

I don't worry about other's shit. Just added stress I don't need.

Originally Posted by Elspode

Obviously, I should have placed the "sarcasm" tags in my statement...

Yeah, I totally did not get that.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

It pisses me off, yeah. Much the same way that you react if a coworker was bitching about how badly off they are now after totaling their car, and then included that they were on the phone and applying makeup when it happened. The extra risks they took change the way you interpret the outcome.

Note that the coworker was "bitchy" and was "applying makeup." Unless his coworker is Richard Simmons he is again singling out a woman. Though he was doing it by way of pretending to further justify his reaction, the underlying idea comes across way too clearly.

Methinks you doth misogynize too much.

[9th Engineer]

Please tell me you just forgot the sarcasm tag. I just picked two distracting activites

**'bitching' is not gender specific and you know it

[Trilby]

why is no one talking about epididymitis?

I had valid points!



(i did!*)
*having to do with the general wussiness of men in the face of real pain. birth=pain. ergo--men would AVOID birth. why no hate over this?

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

Please tell me you just forgot the sarcasm tag. I just picked two distracting activites

**'bitching' is not gender specific and you know it

I don't know whether to say BAAAAAALONEY, or BULLLLLLLSHIT!

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Brianna

why is no one talking about epididymitis?

I had valid points!



(i did!*)
*having to do with the general wussiness of men in the face of real pain. birth=pain. ergo--men would AVOID birth. why no hate over this?

Because Bri, I am constantly on my soapbox about that very thing. Like, you don't see them testing for testicular cancer by squishing dude's balls in a vice then taking a picture (and that ultrasounds are way more effective in detecting early breast cancer, but because of the cost insurance companies don't cover it as a first stop.) Or about Viagra being covered but not birth control. Or a multitude of other like issues.

Do you think tampons would be 6-7 bucks a box if men needed them? Do you think pantyhose would cost a fortune and last two minutes if men needed them?

I LOVE me some men, don't get me wrong. But we know there are inequities.

So, I'm with ya, sister!