If you outlaw guns, then only.... - Page 6

Spexxvet · 10-08-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

No. People will just kill each other with rocks and baseball bats. If you have murder in your heart, it will come out one way or the other.

I think you could kill me with a gun. I'd like you to try to kill me with a rock or bat.

morethanpretty · 10-08-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I think you could kill me with a gun. I'd like you to try to kill me with a rock or bat.

Probably have more luck with the rock or bat, most people can't hit the side of a barn with a bullet, they might shoot of a whole round and still not hit you. But one hard swing with a blunt object...messier and more painful too...
I would prefer death by bullet, not that it is at all likely to happen.

piercehawkeye45 · 10-08-2006, 11:21 PM

Those people who can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bullet probabaly won't be knocking you out with a bat either.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-07-2006, 09:58 PM

Pangloss, you, by your philosophy of life and antigun sentiments, are incapable of resisting genocide, to effect. You may open your mouth to deplore it, but that won't keep you out of the "shower." I'm sure lots of Jews (and Christian Scientists and Gypsies) hollered "No, don't do this!" even louder than you would.

How many live now?

Contrariwise, MaggieL and I, for two, are the ones who by the mere act of owning guns keep you safe from genocide (remember genocide sneaks up on its victims -- starts with a con-job, ends in an Auschwitz). Now why, exactly, should it be only we two to bear that load? You can do your share by attaining skill with firearms and other killing tools, Pangloss.

Pacifism or passivism makes you dead. We resent like hell the prospect of being dragged down to Gehenna with you! When it comes to stopping the Einsatzkommandos, for the avoidable hatreds that set them up were already present, and a basic emotion like hatred will always be among humans, there's nothing like a 7.92mm Mauser slug transecting the brain for doing the stopping -- and justice also, no?

The JPFO's argument that gun control (air quotes if you like, as "control" always takes the form of some sort of actual ban) is the handmaiden of episodes of genocide, sometimes taking decades before the slaughter happens (viz., Cambodia) has never been refuted or rebutted. The idea's been in the public arena for a dozen years now, and no counterargument has ever been put forth.

Before you try and dismiss me as some insensitive crank, consider that I am a decent man who is offended by pogroms. And I can help make one into a fizzle. What's your story? Can you actually claim to have a moral position? If you can't kill a State's barbarians, no you cannot.

Ibby · 10-07-2006, 10:08 PM

I've considered that you were a decent man before, but not for very long.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-07-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

I've considered that you were a decent man before, but all evidence argues against.

Ibbie, that you've developed an ego-driven teenager's dislike of me does not exactly erode my decency! LOL.

(I seem to have grabbed your post for quoting before you edited it. There may be illumination in comparing first and second drafts.)

Ibby · 10-07-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Ibbie, that you've developed an ego-driven teenager's dislike of me does not exactly erode my decency! LOL.

(I seem to have grabbed your post for quoting before you edited it. There may be illumination in comparing first and second drafts.)

Hey, same meaning, I just edited it cause the second sounds better.

And this isnt ego-driven, it's hatred-driven. Youre a genuinely bad person.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-10-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Hey, same meaning, I just edited it cause the second sounds better.

And this isnt ego-driven, it's hatred-driven. Youre a genuinely bad person.

No. And you'll just have to accept that, even if you cannot understand it.

Spexxvet · 10-11-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

No. And you'll just have to accept that, even if you cannot understand it.

When anyone disagrees with you, your response is, to paraphrase, "you're not smart enough to understand". Sometimes, you don't express yourself well, sometimes there is just plain, old disagreement of opinion, and sometimes you're just downright wrong. But to you it's alway "the other guy is dumb". That's the attitude that is pervasive in conservative circles, and why I view most of them as assholes. But I guess you're just not smart enough to understand that...

wolf · 10-07-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

I vote for someone to give Ibram a gun to shoot UG!

Inciting another, especially an impressionable juvenile, to violence shows a lack of moral fiber and ethical responsibility on your part, Mari, not that I'm surprised.

MaggieL · 10-07-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Inciting another, especially an impressionable juvenile, to violence shows a lack of moral fiber and ethical responsibility on your part, Mari, not that I'm surprised.

Especially the fact that she's voting for someone else to provide the gun. Ever the good Socialist... :-)

10-08-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Especially the fact that she's voting for someone else to provide the gun. Ever the good Socialist... :-)

What? Suggesting a vote is socialist?

And I doubt that Ibram is going to go off on a murder spree because of a joking comment. UG might, though.

MaggieL · 10-08-2006, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

What? Suggesting a vote is socialist?

No, wanting somebody else to provide for the gun is. (Wanting to subject matters of personal responsibiility to a popular vote only gets a collectivist "honorable mention".)

It's amusing that the impulse is so deeply ingrained in you that you couldn't figure that out (even though the key phrase is italicized).

10-08-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

No, wanting somebody else to provide for the gun is. (Wanting to subject matters of personal responsibiility to a popular vote only gets a collectivist "honorable mention".)

It's amusing that the impulse is so deeply ingrained in you that you couldn't figure that out (even though the key phrase is italicized).

Maggie, stop taking yourself so damn seriously. It was a joke. Get it? J-O-K-E. While I don't advocate banning guns, I don't advocate giving them away for free, either.

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I think you could kill me with a gun. I'd like you to try to kill me with a rock or bat.

Heh! You gotta go to sleep SOMETIME! (That was a joke, too).

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-10-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

And I doubt that Ibram is going to go off on a murder spree because of a joking comment. UG might, though.

Or I might just content myself with giving you an Atomic Counter-Rotating Tittie Twister. With spray-can whipped cream.

With the turn this part of the thread is taking, there might be some peripheral relevance to this in a thread I just started over in Philosophy: "Be Wary Of Strong Drink..."

10-07-2006, 09:58 PM	#4
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Pangloss, you, by your philosophy of life and antigun sentiments, are incapable of resisting genocide, to effect. You may open your mouth to deplore it, but that won't keep you out of the "shower." I'm sure lots of Jews (and Christian Scientists and Gypsies) hollered "No, don't do this!" even louder than you would. How many live now? Contrariwise, MaggieL and I, for two, are the ones who by the mere act of owning guns keep you safe from genocide (remember genocide sneaks up on its victims -- starts with a con-job, ends in an Auschwitz). Now why, exactly, should it be only we two to bear that load? You can do your share by attaining skill with firearms and other killing tools, Pangloss. Pacifism or passivism makes you dead. We resent like hell the prospect of being dragged down to Gehenna with you! When it comes to stopping the Einsatzkommandos, for the avoidable hatreds that set them up were already present, and a basic emotion like hatred will always be among humans, there's nothing like a 7.92mm Mauser slug transecting the brain for doing the stopping -- and justice also, no? The JPFO's argument that gun control (air quotes if you like, as "control" always takes the form of some sort of actual ban) is the handmaiden of episodes of genocide, sometimes taking decades before the slaughter happens (viz., Cambodia) has never been refuted or rebutted. The idea's been in the public arena for a dozen years now, and no counterargument has ever been put forth. Before you try and dismiss me as some insensitive crank, consider that I am a decent man who is offended by pogroms. And I can help make one into a fizzle. What's your story? Can you actually claim to have a moral position? If you can't kill a State's barbarians, no you cannot. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	I've considered that you were a decent man before, but not for very long. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh Last edited by Ibby; 10-07-2006 at 10:16 PM.

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10-08-2006, 11:21 PM	#3
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Those people who can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bullet probabaly won't be knocking you out with a bat either.

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