Those Funny Folks at PETA Are at it Again - Page 6

Trilby · 08-18-2005, 12:15 PM

Male cats of all sizes do the "kill the kittens of the previous Tom and re-impregnante the Queens with my own seed" thing. You'll notice, it's the males who are murderous. The females will nurse any kitten--an orphan kitten, a kitten who belongs to another female, etc.; male cats seem determined that their genes are passed along and female cats seem determined that the species shall endure.

Troubleshooter · 08-18-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Male cats of all sizes do the "kill the kittens of the previous Tom and re-impregnante the Queens with my own seed" thing. You'll notice, it's the males who are murderous. The females will nurse any kitten--an orphan kitten, a kitten who belongs to another female, etc.; male cats seem determined that their genes are passed along and female cats seem determined that the species shall endure.

Another way of wording that could be that the males are concerned that the best survive and the females aren't quite so discriminating.

Sort of the reverse of humanity...

Trilby · 08-18-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Another way of wording that could be that the males are concerned that the best survive and the females aren't quite so discriminating.

Sort of the reverse of humanity...

Define "best".

Troubleshooter · 08-19-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Define "best".

I can't, I'm not the lion.

I'm only positing that there may be a mechanism in place that may insure that the most suitably adapted DNA is passed on. That mechanism may be part of a long causal chain that results in that coming to pass.

It's just unlikely that any mechanism in nature, other than man current trends, exist without some form of reason. Unlikely, but not impossible.

glatt · 08-18-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Another way of wording that could be that the males are concerned that the best survive and the females aren't quite so discriminating.

Sort of the reverse of humanity...

Except with lions, it's the older males that lose the fight to the younger invading males. It has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with age. The ironic bit is that the younger lions will be driven off before their cubs grow to maturity, and their cubs will be killed too. Lions only have a 20% chance of reaching maturity, and the number one killer is other lions.

Troubleshooter · 08-19-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Except with lions, it's the older males that lose the fight to the younger invading males.

Eventually, yes. But isn't it possible that the older, smarter, stronger ones will last longer and pass on an extra litter or two of better adapted generations.

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It has nothing to do with genetics and everything to do with age.

Everything has to do with genetics, even age. A better adapted progenitor will pass on the better RNA to more generations.

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Originally Posted by glatt

The ironic bit is that the younger lions will be driven off before their cubs grow to maturity, and their cubs will be killed too. Lions only have a 20% chance of reaching maturity, and the number one killer is other lions.

Is it irony or causality?

Happy Monkey · 08-18-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

The environment we live in is a tad different than that of lions in case you haven't noticed..

One difference: We don't need meat to live. Does that make eating meat immoral?

Bullitt · 08-18-2005, 01:22 PM

If lions were "civilized" (and i use that term loosely) like humans, they could choose to eat soy beans to get their protein, etc. They don't "need" meat to live, but that's how they are designed. To go hunt down, kill their food, and consume it. We were designed to be able to get our nutrients from many different sources, plants and animals alike. So no, it is not immoral because that's the way life(nature) is.

Happy Monkey · 08-18-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

If lions were "civilized" (and i use that term loosely) like humans, they could choose to eat soy beans to get their protein, etc.

That's the difference I am trying to get at. We can choose. The fact that we can choose is what defines morality. The lion has no moral choice to make; it just does what it does. The fact that lions do something does not mean it is the correct moral choice for a human to make. So again:

The claim that "we are designed that way" has no moral weight.

Bullitt · 08-18-2005, 02:20 PM

Ok, I'm tired of arguing about this, you win. HP: 1 Bullitt: 0

Guess this is what I get for coming out of semi-lurkerdom and having a discussion

Griff · 08-18-2005, 02:30 PM

It's not whether you win or lose...

wolf · 08-18-2005, 02:42 PM

Bullitt, You could probably redeem yourself with the guys if you posted more pictures of young ladies in swimming attire, or something like that.

Bullitt · 08-18-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Bullitt, You could probably redeem yourself with the guys if you posted more pictures of young ladies in swimming attire, or something like that.

I was hoping I'd get to use this someday...

Troubleshooter · 08-19-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

I was hoping I'd get to use this someday...

Then you won't want to watch this.

wolf · 08-19-2005, 01:56 AM

I think that I am probably very, very grateful that is a very, very small image.

08-18-2005, 12:15 PM	#1
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Male cats of all sizes do the "kill the kittens of the previous Tom and re-impregnante the Queens with my own seed" thing. You'll notice, it's the males who are murderous. The females will nurse any kitten--an orphan kitten, a kitten who belongs to another female, etc.; male cats seem determined that their genes are passed along and female cats seem determined that the species shall endure. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-18-2005, 01:22 PM	#8
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	If lions were "civilized" (and i use that term loosely) like humans, they could choose to eat soy beans to get their protein, etc. They don't "need" meat to live, but that's how they are designed. To go hunt down, kill their food, and consume it. We were designed to be able to get our nutrients from many different sources, plants and animals alike. So no, it is not immoral because that's the way life(nature) is. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

08-18-2005, 02:20 PM	#10
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	Ok, I'm tired of arguing about this, you win. HP: 1 Bullitt: 0 Guess this is what I get for coming out of semi-lurkerdom and having a discussion __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

08-18-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	It's not whether you win or lose... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-18-2005, 02:42 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Bullitt, You could probably redeem yourself with the guys if you posted more pictures of young ladies in swimming attire, or something like that. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-19-2005, 01:56 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I think that I am probably very, very grateful that is a very, very small image. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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