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xoxoxoBruce · 02-08-2009, 04:08 PM

Yeah, but you'd look great in a Princess Leia slave outfit.

mbpark · 02-07-2009, 05:27 PM

TW,

Unfortunately, Windows is a complex beast. I'd need a whole series of posts to explain what I've picked up over the past 11+ years of working with Windows NT and its successor OSes.

It is this complexity that is the reason for Windows having the issues that it does. Even when you execute these programs, you can't tell what they do.

tw · 02-07-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mbpark

It is this complexity that is the reason for Windows having the issues that it does. Even when you execute these programs, you can't tell what they do.

Spaghetti code. What happens when a project does not have a strong architect with a clearly defined architecture. Windows has prospered by trying to do everything. Windows has suffered for the same reason.

mbpark · 02-08-2009, 07:04 AM

TW,

It is that reason why Mark Russinovich's company (Sysinternals) was bought by Microsoft. He was brought in to clean it up.

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Originally Posted by tw

Spaghetti code. What happens when a project does not have a strong architect with a clearly defined architecture. Windows has prospered by trying to do everything. Windows has suffered for the same reason.

tw · 02-08-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mbpark

It is that reason why Mark Russinovich's company (Sysinternals) was bought by Microsoft. He was brought in to clean it up.

I always considered the purchase of System Internals to be what Bill and Dave did to grow Hewlett and Packard and what John Chambers did for Cisco. They bought innovative technology from companies not yet surrounded by large structures - to fill gaps in their company product line.

Microsoft basically had no useful analysis tools for Windows. System Internals are informative tools.

That spaghetti code is a symptom of poor planning at the architect's level. Is probably why the head of Windows was removed because of Vista's development. Are Russinovich and Cogwell working as architects for Microsoft Windows?

mbpark · 02-08-2009, 04:32 PM

TW,

Mark Russinovich is one of the lead Windows architects now. He was one of the forces behind MinWin, which was the refactoring of the Windows code to remove dependencies and make it easier to build and maintain the product.

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Originally Posted by tw

I always considered the purchase of System Internals to be what Bill and Dave did to grow Hewlett and Packard and what John Chambers did for Cisco. They bought innovative technology from companies not yet surrounded by large structures - to fill gaps in their company product line.

Microsoft basically had no useful analysis tools for Windows. System Internals are informative tools.

That spaghetti code is a symptom of poor planning at the architect's level. Is probably why the head of Windows was removed because of Vista's development. Are Russinovich and Cogwell working as architects for Microsoft Windows?

classicman · 02-08-2009, 02:56 AM

What good is having knowledge if. . .

oh nevermind.

Shawnee123 · 02-08-2009, 04:09 PM

You have no idea.

dar512 · 02-08-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

You have no idea.

We would if you'd put on the costume and take the picture.

Shawnee123 · 02-09-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dar512

We would if you'd put on the costume and take the picture.

Uh, dude, I just looked that costume up online and uh, yeah...no. :p

mbpark · 02-08-2009, 07:04 PM

TW,

MinWin, as I stated, is the re-architecture of Windows itself to remove circular dependencies and build issues. It's a complete refactoring of the base of the system itself and the components to make it easier to build, maintain, and debug. Windows, before Windows 7, was devilishly complex to debug and fix issues with. Mark Russinovich did something nearly impossible, which was to help resolve that.

tw · 02-09-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mbpark

MinWin, as I stated, is the re-architecture of Windows itself to remove circular dependencies and build issues. It's a complete refactoring of the base of the system itself and the components to make it easier to build, maintain, and debug.

So MinWin was a redesign of the entire kernel to create Windows 7. Did not address peripheral programs such as Paint, Notepad, and Defrag. Minwin was not another and new Windows product.

How many architects does Microsoft use on Windows? And what happened to Bruce Cogwell?

mbpark · 02-10-2009, 08:14 AM

TW,

Somehow I think re-architecting the core of the product is more important than addressing Paint, Notepad, Solitaire (which got a redesign for Vista anyway), or Defrag (which Microsoft does not own, and is licensed from the Diskeeper corporation)

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Microsoft doesn't publish how many architects they use on Windows. They just publish the ones that are the most famous, such as Mark Russinovich, David Cutler, and Bryce Cogswell (who is still at MS from what I understand).

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Originally Posted by tw

So MinWin was a redesign of the entire kernel to create Windows 7. Did not address peripheral programs such as Paint, Notepad, and Defrag. Minwin was not another and new Windows product.

How many architects does Microsoft use on Windows? And what happened to Bruce Cogwell?

02-08-2009, 11:56 PM

I came across an item on the MSN home page for Sunday, 08 FEB 09 that reminded me of this thread. It was a link titled Ranked: Security software which led to an article by PC World on evaluations of security suites (pay for packages).

Though a bit off topic, I found the ranking of security suites in that article versus the ranking of components in this thread to be interesting; so, I linked it here FYI.

Beestie · 02-12-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NoBoxes

I came across an item on the MSN home page for Sunday, 08 FEB 09 that reminded me of this thread. It was a link titled Ranked: Security software which led to an article by PC World on evaluations of security suites (pay for packages).

Interesting that they didn't even review NOD32.

I read the review of Kaspersky (my weapon of choice) and have to agree that its confusing as hell to configure although I think it works better than the author does - nothing gets by Kaspersky. I even get warnings (including the IP address) when anything other than the browser I have open attempts to connect to the internet.

And as a general tip to the class, if the protection software you are running has a registry guard, enable it. If it doesn't, get one that does. A registry guard stops anything from making a change in the registry and asks for approval first. I think Spybot has one.

-----EDIT

Since MSN didn't think NOD32 was worth reviewing, I was not surprised to learn that opinions vary. Check out this side-by-side comparison.

02-08-2009, 04:08 PM	#1
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02-08-2009, 11:56 PM	#14
NoBoxes Guest Posts: n/a	And now for something completely different ... I came across an item on the MSN home page for Sunday, 08 FEB 09 that reminded me of this thread. It was a link titled Ranked: Security software which led to an article by PC World on evaluations of security suites (pay for packages). Though a bit off topic, I found the ranking of security suites in that article versus the ranking of components in this thread to be interesting; so, I linked it here FYI.

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02-07-2009, 05:27 PM	#2
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	TW, Unfortunately, Windows is a complex beast. I'd need a whole series of posts to explain what I've picked up over the past 11+ years of working with Windows NT and its successor OSes. It is this complexity that is the reason for Windows having the issues that it does. Even when you execute these programs, you can't tell what they do.

02-08-2009, 07:04 PM	#11
mbpark Lecturer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 761	TW, MinWin, as I stated, is the re-architecture of Windows itself to remove circular dependencies and build issues. It's a complete refactoring of the base of the system itself and the components to make it easier to build, maintain, and debug. Windows, before Windows 7, was devilishly complex to debug and fix issues with. Mark Russinovich did something nearly impossible, which was to help resolve that.

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