So, what is the difference....

[Undertoad]

The same dead bodies are "rescued" over and over for the cameras

Don't visit the link unless you can stomach seeing two different dead bodies being carted around, taken on and off ambulances, pulled out of rubble several times, and generally paraded around for different photographers of different press agencies, for a period of hours and hours.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The same dead bodies are "rescued" over and over for the cameras

If you are a child in an adult body, then pictures bother you. Meanwhile, this is war. Killing in massive numbers is necessary because of why this war exists. Either one fights responsible or one kills everyone with little regard. Israel did not have to start this war. They could have continued doing what they always did when Hezbollah kidnapped soldiers - trade. Or Israel could have invaded. Instead Israel has decided to target everyone - a free fire zone. Those are facts.

Those pictures are for the children among us. Meanwhile adults are more concerned with what this war means for the future. Adults are concerned how this war affects the living. Those dead bodies are nothing more than trophies. Yes, that is what an adult does when viewing war pictures. Were the trophies done for justifiable reasons, or do they exist because of people who subvert the purpose of mankind.

Take pictures for hours. Does not matter to adults. Adults demand numbers, justification, and justice again those who would even arrange the massacre of 5,000 Palestinian women and children. Current war is not justified. It exists because leaders in Washington would rather labeled everyone in black and white - good and evil. Then fix all problems by only killing evil. A 'big dic' mentality is alive and well. Those bodies of innocent civilians are nothing more than trophies. Take all pictures necessary - and then take more. They are only trophies to those who would rather attack everyone else. They are propaganda for the children in adult bodies. If you are an adult, one picture or a million makes little difference. Instead you demand facts - such as the smoking gun.

Civilians are attacked because Israel will not even put troops on the ground. What cowards they are. If Israel only wants to eliminate Hezbollah, the Israel's strategic objective would have been clear - a complete invasion. Instead, Israel has declared anyone inside selected areas of Lebanon as evil. Does not matter who they are. They must be killed - trophies for a mantle. Nothing emotional about that fact. Israel cannot know who they are killing - no ground spotters. Israel just attacks anything in a free fire zone. What results are trophies. Take pictures to hype adult sized children. Learn from those pictures what Israel's strategic objective is; think like an adult.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The same dead bodies are "rescued" over and over for the cameras

Don't visit the link unless you can stomach seeing two different dead bodies being carted around, taken on and off ambulances, pulled out of rubble several times, and generally paraded around for different photographers of different press agencies, for a period of hours and hours.

I have followed this story and it appears to be a mistake on the part of the post's author, who misunderstood which timestamps are transmitted by the wire agencies.

Following that post, in another story, there was a suggestion that the building did not collapse at midnight, when it was bombed, but at 8am. I read the whole story very carefully and figured out that it was most likely an error on behalf of an Israeli Brig. Gen'l. (yay me)

Sadly this did not prevent a series of righty blogs from running with the theory that it was a setup by Hezbollah all along. Hamas is known to perpetrate such things. But the rumor got generated by the wings of the butterfly, and a bit more reality went down the truth hole.

[Trilby]

'loathsome creatures' indeed. I have often felt the wailing and gnashing of Arabic teeth was for our benefit. Here's proof.

[Spexxvet]

Pretty damning stuff, UT.

[Trilby]

It is impossible to fight a surgically precise war and nobody has ever, nor will ever, do it. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki...military targets? Civilians die in wars. That's what a war is. You don't want the bear to attack? Then don't poke him, asshole.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brianna

It is impossible to fight a surgically precise war and nobody has ever, nor will ever, do it.

Of course a surgically precise war is accomplished. It means ground spotters. Oh. But that is too dangerous. So instead declare anything that moves as the enemy - and kill it. It's called a free fire zone. It is what the US military did in Vietnam when top generals had no idea why America was losing a Vietnam war.

Only reason those civilians are intentionally being killed - Israel does not have the balls to attack Hezbollah using troops. Too many dead Israelis would then drive centrists out of extremists ranks and back to where intelligent people think without emotional bias.

Your post implies Dresden had a military purpose. It did not. It was based in a failed concept that one wins by killing more enemy. Battles are not won that way. But again, first year Military Science. Define a victory. Little hint. Victory is not defined by more dead bodies. Only those with 'big dic' mentalities believe those myths. Military Science 101. Define victory.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brianna

You don't want the bear to attack? Then don't poke him, asshole.

Who is the "you"? Hezbollah wants all this to happen.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Who is the "you"? Hezbollah wants all this to happen.

Of course they do. The 'you' I was refering to is the phantom 'you' that the Arabs and tw want us to swallow--the wholly innocent Hzblh! They poke the bear, enrage him and then stand by all wide-eyed and stunned that the bear fights back, beseeching the world to look at the crazy, war-mongering bear who does nothing but defend himself in the face of attack. Hzblh is killing the Lebanese children--they poked the bear, wanting the response they got. They wail and gnash for the camera's, but, it is Hzblh who are responsible.

[Trilby]

tw--you say Hez'bllh 'assumed Israel would do what it always did when Hzbl kidnapped Israeli soldiers--trade. How fucking stupid do you have to be to ASSUME your mortal enemy will do such and such?

I was not implying Dresden was a military target.

I do not have a 'big dic' mentality. I hate Bush as much as you do and Cheney even more. I hate these Arab agitators, too. Lay the blame where it belongs, man. On Hzblh and all their ilk. Do I like what is going on? Of course not, it is heartbreaking. However, if I am not mistaken, Hzblh was ELECTED into power by the Lebanese. They WANTED them.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brianna

tw--you say Hez'bllh 'assumed Israel would do what it always did when Hzbl kidnapped Israeli soldiers--trade. How fucking stupid do you have to be to ASSUME your mortal enemy will do such and such?

Obviously you are using the word fucking because you did not learn before posting. Hezbollah had previously kidnapped Israeli soldiers and traded then for Israeli prisioners. Why don't you know this fact?

When reports say that no one expected this minor event to escalate so violently, did you first ask what they meant? Kidnapping soldiers and trading for prisioners was even conducted when Sharon was Prime Minister. Cheney types hope you never learn details; only make blanket assumptions such as

How fucking stupid do you have to be to ASSUME your mortal enemy will do such and such?

It is how they got so many to believe bin Laden and Saddam were allies.

First learn reality before posting obscene assumptions. Without such background, then others can paint this entire Middle East fiasco in terms of 'black and white' / 'good verses evil' propaganda.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by tw

Obviously you are using the word fucking because you did not learn before posting. Hezbollah had perviously kidnapped Israeli soldiers and traded then for Israeli prisioners. Why don't you know this fact?

tw, are you obtuse on purpose? I said that it is fucking stupid to ASSUME that the enemy (Israel) would do what it always did in response to kidnapped soldiers. Couldn't Israel, perhaps, crazily, react in a DIFFERENT, UNFORESEEN way? Or, are they somehow bound to react the same way to repeated provocative behaviors?

As for using 'fucking', I'm a big girl and can use whatever words I like. Has nothing to do with learning.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Brianna

tw, are you obtuse on purpose? I said that it is fucking stupid to ASSUME that the enemy (Israel) would do what it always did in response to kidnapped soldiers.

If Israel did the same thing so many times previously AND a more hardliner extremist Prime Minister repeatedly did same, then why would some little Hezbollah unit not think it was safe? Do you think some master tactician in Hezbollah authorized the kidnapping? Of course not. Do people do things assuming the 'double zero' does not occur on the roulette wheel? Repeatedly.

But this time, word came from Washingtion to Israel - use the final solution. Attack and kill all Hezbollah and this problem will be solved. Don't think for one minute that Washington did not either approve or recommend this solution.

Hopefully others in the region have a better grasp of reality since clearly the current Israeli administration is 'shooting in the dark' and our own president is obviously promoting pre-emption.

Excessive and unnecessary use of irrelevant adjacetives (and fucking provides no useful context) suggests an intelligence level unbecoming of Cellar Dwellars. Clearly and in hindsight, they made a stupid mistake. They never made a 'fucking stupid' mistake. They took a calculated risk that was justified by historical precedents and statistical averages. The emotional instead assume irrational and uneducated speculation: "fucking stupid". Being 'big' or being a 'girl' has no relationship to a grasp of reality.

[Trilby]

[quote=tw]
But this time, word came from Washingtion to Israel - use the final solution. Attack and kill all Hezbollah and this problem will be solved.[quote]

You have this proof, yes?

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by tw

But this time, word came from Washingtion to Israel - use the final solution. Attack and kill all Hezbollah and this problem will be solved. Don't think for one minute that Washington did not either approve or recommend this solution.

What's this, then? You said WORD CAME FROM WASHINGTON TO ISRAEL, did you not? look up there, between those quotes and tell me what you said.

And what is not to get about the simple (grasp it, now, tw) concept that one military force can NEVER know or predict and should never ASSUME what another military force is going to do. That's not even a controversial point.

Oh, and tw?

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck...


Shame you're not right there to solve this complex problem that only you understand. Ya jerk.