Saddam to Swing

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Actually it did not, there were plenty of necks for the noose.

But not repeat offenders.

There is no such thing as just "nuts", everyone does everthing they do for a reason.

So what? Who cares why they raped and killed your child?

Again... our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants, and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.

Not all tyrants hold political positions, gangsters are tyrants too.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So what? Who cares why they raped and killed your child?

Hopefully everyone cares if they raped anyone's child. That has nothing to do with the realities of mental health.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not all tyrants hold political positions, gangsters are tyrants too.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
The same goes for your first comment... a life sentance with no parole means no repeat offenses.

[DanaC]

If they were chained to a dungeon wall, perhaps. But living in relative comfort with access to reading materials and sometimes TV, don't think so

Oh come on. Prisons are not pleasant places to be......the average time it takes a new arrival to be raped in an American prison is fifteen minutes.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Oh come on. Prisons are not pleasant places to be......the average time it takes a new arrival to be raped in an American prison is fifteen minutes.

Especially if you're a rapist or child molestor yourself..."regular" criminals hate that! And if you're a cop killer the guards hate that.

Hang on to your soap.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Oh come on. Prisons are not pleasant places to be......the average time it takes a new arrival to be raped in an American prison is fifteen minutes.

Not on death row, no contact with other prisoners. Pleasant is relative, I wouldn't find it pleasant, at all, but it sure beats being in the general prison population.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by DanaC

the average time it takes a new arrival to be raped in an American prison is fifteen minutes.

Please tell me that was hyperbole. Otherwise, I'd really, really like to see a cite for that. Really, I would.

[DanaC]

I can't remember now where I read that factet. It was in a newspaper report ( I think the Guardian) about three years ago.

I did manage to find an interesting article on the subject though. It doesn't give the average time for an inmate to be raped but it does highlight the scale of the problem

From ‘Forecasting Sexual Abuse in Prison: The prison Structure of Masculinity as a Backdrop for “deliberate Indifference”’, in The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Vol 92, no. 1 (2001)

On August 9, 1973, Stephen Donaldson, a Quaker peace activist, was arrested for trespassing after participating in a pray-in at the White House. Upon refusal to post a ten-dollar bond on moral grounds, Donaldson was sent to Washington D.C. jail. In the days that followed, Donaldson experienced a terror that is far too common for tens of thousands of inmates in American correctional institutions. In the course of Donaldsons’ two nights behind bars, he was gang-raped approximately sixty times by numerous inmates. Upon his release Donaldson did what few others have had the strength and courage to do: he spoke out. Donaldson was among the first survivors of jailhouse rape to come forward publicly to describe his abuse………


Experts in the field of prisoner sexual abuse estimate that over 60,000 prisoners are subjected to involuntary sex every day ( Can we put an End to Inmate Rape? U.S.A Today Magazine 1995).

“ It is the rare convict who will never engage in homosexual acts” Lou Torak, ‘Straight talk from Prison: A Convict Reflects on Youth’ in Crime and Society, 40, (1974).

The article goes on to suggest that the vast majority of these acts are not driven by “mutual attraction or affection”, but rather “most sexual acts in prison are the coerced products of dominance, intimidation and terror”.

[Clodfobble]

A large-scale study of American prisons says only 1 in 5 prisoners have ever had forced sexual contact, and only 7% are actually raped.

Sexual-coercion rates in seven prison facilities for men in midwestern states were assessed... Results showed that 21% of the inmates had experienced at least one episode of pressured or forced sexual contact since incarcerated in their state... At least 7% of the sample had been raped in their current facility.

Not to say that 21% is okay, because it definitely isn't--but it sure as hell doesn't translate into 15 minutes before the "average" prisoner is raped, since the average prisoner (i.e. the majority of them) isn't ever raped.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

A large-scale study of American prisons says only 1 in 5 prisoners have ever had forced sexual contact, and only 7% are actually raped.



Not to say that 21% is okay, because it definitely isn't--but it sure as hell doesn't translate into 15 minutes before the "average" prisoner is raped, since the average prisoner (i.e. the majority of them) isn't ever raped.

Um...what is the difference between "forced sexual contact" and "actually raped?"

[Aliantha]

I've been doing a bit of searching since Dana posted that stat and unfortunately can't find anything which either supports or refutes it.

I have found quite a number of sites which claim stats similar to those you've posted Clod, although most of them have the disclaimer that the statistics are based on 'reported abuses' and are not necessarily representative of the true number of rapes which take place.

[JayMcGee]

I'm getting quite confused here....

as I understand it, the pro-execution peeps want to go that route 'cos killing other peeps is wrong?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

as I understand it, the pro-execution peeps want to go that route 'cos killing other peeps is wrong?

Hey, the perp gets to see just how he likes being put to death. I call that fair.

[Aliantha]

lol

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Um...what is the difference between "forced sexual contact" and "actually raped?"

Getting your ass or junk grabbed, having your leg dry-humped, having your nipple pinched...

[Aliantha]

You didn't get the irony UG? lol Or you're just trying to be funny again?