University to students: 'All whites are racist' - Page 8

queequeger · 11-12-2007, 06:47 PM

This thread has turned interesting... 'Are we responsible for our ancestors' actions?' has always been a point of indecision for me. It's against that whole 'american spirit' to take handouts, yet we feel justified if it's wealth passed down from our parents. On the other hand, we're supposedly not responsible for the sins of the father.

So we get all the benefits (i.e. wealth, social standing, nice jewelry), but don't have to suffer any of the negatives. This has always seemed a little twisted, and gives a heavy advantage to those on the upper crust of society. Sure I'm a millionaire because my dad screwed over thousands of people throughout his lifetime. Not my fault, but I'll keep the money if it's all the same to you. While this doesn't sit right, is it therefore OK to take money from that person because he didn't earn it? Not really.

So I got to thinking a few nights ago. This idea that 'I've earned everything I worked for, and I get all the credit for it,' doesn't fit logically. Let's think, did I make my car? Did I cast the iron and paint the body and set the timing, etc? On the same hand, did I invent my iPod, and build it from scratch?

Ok, so I work 40 hours a week for all the things I own, which is fair compensation for that amorphous society for what it gives me in return. So, it would logically follow that people who work 40 hours a week (if you include compensation for their time spent in college, and other training) get a fair living.

So why is it that Joe Citizen who worked 200 years ago got relatively little compensation? Because his ancestors had not yet done the work for him. He had no ipods or automobiles. It stands to reason that no one actually earns everything they get. We are all standing on the shoulders of everyone that came before us, so none of us can rightfully claim to have earned everything we were given (unless you live in the woods, built everything you own, and hunt for your food). Is this something to be ashamed about? Probably not, but it's certainly a bit bull headed to claim that I worked for what I got, and someone else who works just as hard if not harder doesn't deserve the same.

We're all getting handouts from our grandfathers, but the handouts aren't the same.

bluecuracao · 11-12-2007, 06:56 PM

Oh quee, you are so ignorant with your "big picture" shit.

Cicero · 11-13-2007, 10:52 AM

Hey Merc....don't forget the English/Irish ordeal.

regular.joe · 12-01-2007, 03:19 PM

So let me get this straight, by the definition put forward on page one of this post, and by reading some of the people on here....I am guilty of being a racist. Because I'm of European decent.

AND I'm guilty, and should be ashamed of the Israeli, Palestinian problems because I'm descended from Polish Jews, some of who could have moved to the new country of Israel after WWII?

Holy shit! I don't know how some of you get up and eat breakfast without feeling guilty. Man, why not go all the way? I think you're responsible for Eve eating that damn apple. That's right, you are responsible for all of human history and it's fuck ups. I know it's not an original idea, the Catholic church beat me to it. So, if you're not Catholic, perhaps you should convert.

Wake up, live a day at a time, and take responsibility for your own life. Right here, right now. That's it.

Kerotan · 12-04-2007, 05:39 PM

This makes me livid.

I kinda wish I was enrolled in this university so that I could kick up a fuss.

Seriously, have we not atoned enough our forefathers sins?
This university suggests that all white people are prejudiced to everyone and anyone.

I am sorry that slavery happened, but i don't apologise for it.

using an example from everyday life, I am sorry that person X got robbed, but do I apologise for it?

It wasn't me who robbed you, and left you and your children penniless, and therefore put your children's and your children's children at a disadvantage.

Surely we the population at large are not racist, because we do not disadvantage the disadvantaged further, and helped the disadvantaged.

At the end of the day, the robber is the real racist.

Cicero · 12-04-2007, 06:04 PM

Runaway metaphors...I hate it when that happens too..

11-12-2007, 06:47 PM	#106
queequeger Hypercharismatic Telepathical Knight Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The armpit of the Universe... Augusta, GA Posts: 365	This thread has turned interesting... 'Are we responsible for our ancestors' actions?' has always been a point of indecision for me. It's against that whole 'american spirit' to take handouts, yet we feel justified if it's wealth passed down from our parents. On the other hand, we're supposedly not responsible for the sins of the father. So we get all the benefits (i.e. wealth, social standing, nice jewelry), but don't have to suffer any of the negatives. This has always seemed a little twisted, and gives a heavy advantage to those on the upper crust of society. Sure I'm a millionaire because my dad screwed over thousands of people throughout his lifetime. Not my fault, but I'll keep the money if it's all the same to you. While this doesn't sit right, is it therefore OK to take money from that person because he didn't earn it? Not really. So I got to thinking a few nights ago. This idea that 'I've earned everything I worked for, and I get all the credit for it,' doesn't fit logically. Let's think, did I make my car? Did I cast the iron and paint the body and set the timing, etc? On the same hand, did I invent my iPod, and build it from scratch? Ok, so I work 40 hours a week for all the things I own, which is fair compensation for that amorphous society for what it gives me in return. So, it would logically follow that people who work 40 hours a week (if you include compensation for their time spent in college, and other training) get a fair living. So why is it that Joe Citizen who worked 200 years ago got relatively little compensation? Because his ancestors had not yet done the work for him. He had no ipods or automobiles. It stands to reason that no one actually earns everything they get. We are all standing on the shoulders of everyone that came before us, so none of us can rightfully claim to have earned everything we were given (unless you live in the woods, built everything you own, and hunt for your food). Is this something to be ashamed about? Probably not, but it's certainly a bit bull headed to claim that I worked for what I got, and someone else who works just as hard if not harder doesn't deserve the same. We're all getting handouts from our grandfathers, but the handouts aren't the same. __________________ Hoocha, hoocha, hoocha... lobster.

11-13-2007, 10:52 AM	#108
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Hey Merc....don't forget the English/Irish ordeal. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

12-01-2007, 03:19 PM	#109
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	So let me get this straight, by the definition put forward on page one of this post, and by reading some of the people on here....I am guilty of being a racist. Because I'm of European decent. AND I'm guilty, and should be ashamed of the Israeli, Palestinian problems because I'm descended from Polish Jews, some of who could have moved to the new country of Israel after WWII? Holy shit! I don't know how some of you get up and eat breakfast without feeling guilty. Man, why not go all the way? I think you're responsible for Eve eating that damn apple. That's right, you are responsible for all of human history and it's fuck ups. I know it's not an original idea, the Catholic church beat me to it. So, if you're not Catholic, perhaps you should convert. Wake up, live a day at a time, and take responsibility for your own life. Right here, right now. That's it. __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

12-04-2007, 06:04 PM	#111
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Runaway metaphors...I hate it when that happens too.. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

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11-12-2007, 06:56 PM	#107
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Oh quee, you are so ignorant with your "big picture" shit.

12-04-2007, 05:39 PM	#110
Kerotan Half-Awesome Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 36	This makes me livid. I kinda wish I was enrolled in this university so that I could kick up a fuss. Seriously, have we not atoned enough our forefathers sins? This university suggests that all white people are prejudiced to everyone and anyone. I am sorry that slavery happened, but i don't apologise for it. using an example from everyday life, I am sorry that person X got robbed, but do I apologise for it? It wasn't me who robbed you, and left you and your children penniless, and therefore put your children's and your children's children at a disadvantage. Surely we the population at large are not racist, because we do not disadvantage the disadvantaged further, and helped the disadvantaged. At the end of the day, the robber is the real racist.

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