While you're all outraged about the bailout... - Page 8

Trilby · 04-08-2009, 03:56 PM

are we still outraged?

It's exhausting.

classicman · 04-10-2009, 01:14 PM

Did you read the actual link and the rest of the conversation sugar?

sugarpop · 04-10-2009, 01:32 PM

I read the article on another forum, and yes, I did read all the responses from the past few days about this.

#1, Rick Wagoner should have been fired ages ago. The fact that GM came grovelling to Washington for taxpayers to bail them out made Washington in effect the BOD. The board has the power to fire someone who is ineffectual, which is what happened here, and IMO should happen at some banks as well. If GM had not confiscated and crushed all the electric cars they made back in the 90s, they might be on top right now. But no, they made stupid decisions and inferior cars, and now they are in trouble. As for cars, fuel efficient cars should be mandated, for health reasons, and for national security reasons. Anyone who doesn't get that is just stupid.

#2, something needs to be done about executive pay. We have been needing this for a very, very long time. I am hoping they extend it to all companies, not just those taking TARP money.

#3, Class warfare was declared on the middle class years ago. It's time the middle class got someone in their corner fighting back for them, since they really have no power to do it themselves, other than taking up arms and fighting a bloody revolution against corporations and government, for not looking out for their interests.

#4, it is friggin' ridiculous to think Obama actually wants to control banks. IMO he isn't going far enough. If the people in charge had been doing their jobs this crisis would not have happened. So, if capitalism loses ground to socialism, they can only blame themselves. And hip hip hooray.

classicman · 04-10-2009, 02:03 PM

Then you know the Gov't REFUSED to take the money back in this case, right?

sugarpop · 04-10-2009, 06:01 PM

No I don't. I don't know what the circumstances were, because the writer did not tell us. the writer did not even tell us which bank it was. If the government is not taking the money back right now, when they are taking from other banks, there must be a reason.

Oh, and since the bank was threatened with an audit if they didn't take the money, and that's why they took the money (because they didn't want an audit), it makes me wonder what they were hiding.

sugarpop · 04-16-2009, 12:54 AM

I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-17-2009, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

Eh, the will just be on the streets a few years earlier...

Inner city kids will listen to teachers that they respect (like non-inner city kids

). But that category fits so few it really causes problems.

Aliantha · 04-16-2009, 12:55 AM

There are some schools over here considering bringing back corporal punishment.

I think this is a good idea, but then, I also have been known to give my kids a smack when they're being naughty.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-16-2009, 02:38 AM

Maybe it's time that no child has a behind left.

sugarpop · 04-18-2009, 09:40 PM

Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

TheMercenary · 04-19-2009, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

Can you imagine the liberal outcry? The parents of those kids would claim racism.

classicman · 04-19-2009, 11:56 AM

They're just misunderstood Merc.

sugarpop · 04-19-2009, 02:36 PM

So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is. As long as the rules are applied fairly across the board, no one can bitch about anything. Make sure the rules are understood every year beforehand. It might not be such a bad idea to put cameras in the classrooms either, for proof of misbehavior.

classicman · 04-19-2009, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop

So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is.

Thats the second or third time you brought race into a conversation when it was never brought up before. Where is that comin from?

sugarpop · 04-20-2009, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Thats the second or third time you brought race into a conversation when it was never brought up before. Where is that comin from?

My dear classicman, I was replying to THE FOLLOWING POST when I said that, so ask Merc why he brought race into, 'K?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Can you imagine the liberal outcry? The parents of those kids would claim racism.

04-16-2009, 12:55 AM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	There are some schools over here considering bringing back corporal punishment. I think this is a good idea, but then, I also have been known to give my kids a smack when they're being naughty. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

04-16-2009, 02:38 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Maybe it's time that no child has a behind left. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	They're just misunderstood Merc. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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04-08-2009, 03:56 PM	#1
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	are we still outraged? It's exhausting. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

04-10-2009, 01:14 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Did you read the actual link and the rest of the conversation sugar? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-10-2009, 01:32 PM	#3
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I read the article on another forum, and yes, I did read all the responses from the past few days about this. #1, Rick Wagoner should have been fired ages ago. The fact that GM came grovelling to Washington for taxpayers to bail them out made Washington in effect the BOD. The board has the power to fire someone who is ineffectual, which is what happened here, and IMO should happen at some banks as well. If GM had not confiscated and crushed all the electric cars they made back in the 90s, they might be on top right now. But no, they made stupid decisions and inferior cars, and now they are in trouble. As for cars, fuel efficient cars should be mandated, for health reasons, and for national security reasons. Anyone who doesn't get that is just stupid. #2, something needs to be done about executive pay. We have been needing this for a very, very long time. I am hoping they extend it to all companies, not just those taking TARP money. #3, Class warfare was declared on the middle class years ago. It's time the middle class got someone in their corner fighting back for them, since they really have no power to do it themselves, other than taking up arms and fighting a bloody revolution against corporations and government, for not looking out for their interests. #4, it is friggin' ridiculous to think Obama actually wants to control banks. IMO he isn't going far enough. If the people in charge had been doing their jobs this crisis would not have happened. So, if capitalism loses ground to socialism, they can only blame themselves. And hip hip hooray.

04-10-2009, 02:03 PM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Then you know the Gov't REFUSED to take the money back in this case, right? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-10-2009, 06:01 PM	#5
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	No I don't. I don't know what the circumstances were, because the writer did not tell us. the writer did not even tell us which bank it was. If the government is not taking the money back right now, when they are taking from other banks, there must be a reason. Oh, and since the bank was threatened with an audit if they didn't take the money, and that's why they took the money (because they didn't want an audit), it makes me wonder what they were hiding.

04-16-2009, 12:54 AM	#6
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

04-18-2009, 09:40 PM	#10
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

04-19-2009, 02:36 PM	#13
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is. As long as the rules are applied fairly across the board, no one can bitch about anything. Make sure the rules are understood every year beforehand. It might not be such a bad idea to put cameras in the classrooms either, for proof of misbehavior.

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