Saddam to Swing

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I think you are missing my point: we're careful about it, whereas Red China, whose execution count is fourteen million and ticking, clearly is not, and spreads the death penalty unduly wide in any event. A bad habit of the un-democracies, you know, and one of the surest signs of such a thing.

And something a real understander of good and evil never does is mistake "damage control" for "evil also." Familiarity with how somebody gets on death row in the first place is enough to tell the perceptive man that there are some lives over which death is actually an improvement.

[Aliantha]

Geez UG, I would have thought you'd be happy about all those 'commies' killing each other off.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

What, instead of viewing it as commies (and commies' lackeys) killing plain folks?

Originally Posted by yesman065

Just a question here NOT an opinion. Would the death penalty actually function as a deterrent if it was carried out MUCH faster? I agree with you to a point rz, but if the death penalty actually worked at preventing someone from committing a crime (which I don't think it does now) how many lives would be saved. Furthermore, the cost on society and the ability to shift the funds spent keeping these criminals alive were shifted to rehab programs or any of many other viable options would that save even more lives?? I don't know and I don't think our society would ever do it, but it does merit some thought at least - no?

It has been mentioned earlier that, no, in nations, and in times past, where it has been, and is, used "liberally" plenty of people commit plenty of murder.
A violent culture breeds more violence.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

It worked when the gallows was next to the court house. It's the anti-death penalty people that make it so damn expensive. :p

Actually it did not, there were plenty of necks for the noose.
Plus we would have to ignore all the innocent people we would murder (on top of all those we do now) by getting rid of the appeals process... despite the whole "cruel and unusual punishment thing". But, you don't seem to mind that.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Benefits of study? What did they find out besides they were nuts? How did this studying these creeps benefit the population?

When the next wacko kills 10 people, the shrinks understanding why, doesn't help one bit...... especially to the victims.

If they were chained to a dungeon wall, perhaps. But living in relative comfort with access to reading materials and sometimes TV, don't think so.

There is no such thing as just "nuts", everyone does everthing they do for a reason.
Again... our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants, and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

What, instead of viewing it as commies (and commies' lackeys) killing plain folks?

Well aren't all Chinese communists? Pardon me for asking such a obvious question, but seriously UG, if you live in a communist country then you must be a communist - by the definitions of some cellar dwellars.

[Aliantha]

Yesman...according to UG, quick death penalties aren't working in communist countries, so it probably wouldn't work in the US, unless of course, you could do it better than the Chinese.

[BigV]

What, UG, the Chinese have no right to self defense?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well aren't all Chinese communists? Pardon me for asking such a obvious question, but seriously UG, if you live in a communist country then you must be a communist - by the definitions of some cellar dwellars.

And you'd insist that I'd have to define it that way because...?

Party cadre is a pretty small percentage of the population, no?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Actually it did not, there were plenty of necks for the noose.

But not repeat offenders.

There is no such thing as just "nuts", everyone does everthing they do for a reason.

So what? Who cares why they raped and killed your child?

Again... our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants, and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.

Not all tyrants hold political positions, gangsters are tyrants too.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So what? Who cares why they raped and killed your child?

Hopefully everyone cares if they raped anyone's child. That has nothing to do with the realities of mental health.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Not all tyrants hold political positions, gangsters are tyrants too.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
The same goes for your first comment... a life sentance with no parole means no repeat offenses.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Makes plenty of sense to me, rkzen; dictators do it wholesale, gangsters, retail. It's all coercion, which I believe was Bruce's point.

[Aliantha]

Would it surprise anyone here to know that some people would consider the US to be tyrants anyway? (in response to this quote - Again... our nation was founded to remove us from tyrants, and keep us from becoming tyrants who practice cruel and unusual punishments.)

Sure, and I have made it clear that I am fully in support of removing said power structure and returning to a strictly Constitutional one.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Would it surprise anyone here to know that some people would consider the US to be tyrants anyway?

Remove us from tyrants, not you.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Hopefully everyone cares if they raped anyone's child. That has nothing to do with the realities of mental health.

Exactly, mental health has nothing to do with child molesters. I was responding to;

There is no such thing as just "nuts", everyone does everthing they do for a reason.

I don't give a shit why they molested a child. Fry 'em.

a life sentance with no parole means no repeat offenses.

It also means there will be no rehabilitation and no reintroduction to society, so what the hell is the point of spending a fortune and considerable law enforcement resources, to keep these scumbags alive?

[Aliantha]

Remove us from tyrants, not you.

What do you mean by this Bruce?